Those People

[Nimaz]

I had a different impression few days before you posted this thread. I surprisingly get myself vaping in a smoking area in the sin city as i was waiting for someone out of a building. I first was wondering why people were staring at me, when some non-smoker around asked how their closed one can shift to vaping from smoking.... I gave some quick advice briefly explaining the benefits. Smokers were just listening to me. Then, smokers were coming to me to ask more question, smoking as I was vaping. It seems to me at that time that minds were not set on that matter but people are sicking for more specific hand to hand understanding, not mass media information. I've seen more smokers that I talk to around my neighbor pulling out their ego sticks not yet completely out of smoking but in a good path. Too low nic juices were apparent limitations... My not cig like looking box well engineered gear and performance were just a trigger for curiosity and questioning. Some original sarcasms like the {Other stuff} looking pipe... Because I puff out a smoke like profile, I seem to look like and feel like a weirdo in addition to what funky looking stuff I'm holding sometime in public not talking about my VG, PG, Nic solutions, wires sets, screw drivers, tanks, wicks, syringes etc.... Back in my mind I'm so pleased and happy that I'm not smoking no more, I don't chase attention nor that I plebiscite vaping as a new way of life... It's just so better and so different from smoking that most people just wonder sometime in such a provocative way indeed. It's ok, they may understand someday but it doesn't really matter because I just feel better no matter what.

 

[Jalcide]

(Regarding no one post in particular...) I kinda feel like we're conflating advocacy, regulation and safety issues with douchebaggery.

I understand it's a nexus, but I'd like to enjoy the right to look like a d-bag without being a bad person.

*ducks for cover*

 

[YoursTruli]

One company is not an industry.

In a growing industry, sometimes a manufacturer/marketer tries to do something to make their product "pop" to get ahead of the pack. Everyone wants their share of the pie.
Sometimes they make bad or controversial decisions.
I wouldn't paint the entire industry with the same brush, we do have good guys out there, but bad news gets headlines.

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I know one company does not make an industry, but, this latest is just that, the latest of many who have acted in a similar manner over the past several years. This one states they did this for publicity purposes. On their facebook page

"We released it expecting backlash. Hell we wanted "Backlash", we did not expect to get in 24 hours a reach of 6,349 Post reach alone. We assumed get to 5K..."
"If the hate has not reached the marks we need simply have a hand full of pre-selected people go on to the major social media and start a couple hate threads. This should in the last 2 weeks get the Publicity we are after."

not that I buy this, because I don't, because they are still going forward (even after crayola contacted them about copyright infringement) and making their product resemble coloring crayons (and adding food coloring to their eliquids)

"As far as changing the Name, Bottles, or Logo, this will not happen. We will not be bullied because at the end of the day there are two things that bother us about this:
#1. We can name 20 top level companies with Cartoon Characters on their bottles, (but will not drag other companies through the dirt).
#2. The moment we go any further than planned, the people that think they made a difference (unlike Laura P.........who actually did) will think OK we can go "Mob Mentality" and force others to change also."

@Racehorse is right, many vapers, and the industry itself, has shot itself in the foot. Many vapers are supporting the above mentioned manufacturer/vendor ,who, obviously feels like the antz and government doesn't have quite enough ammo yet to kill vaping properly and not giving a damn if small children might be attracted to this bottle of eliquid because of said labeling/packaging.

 

[K_Tech]

I know one company does not make an industry, but, this latest is just that, the latest of many who have acted in a similar manner over the past several years. This one states they did this for publicity purposes. On their facebook page

"We released it expecting backlash. Hell we wanted "Backlash", we did not expect to get in 24 hours a reach of 6,349 Post reach alone. We assumed get to 5K..."
"If the hate has not reached the marks we need simply have a hand full of pre-selected people go on to the major social media and start a couple hate threads. This should in the last 2 weeks get the Publicity we are after."

not that I buy this, because I don't, because they are still going forward (even after crayola contacted them about copyright infringement) and making their product resemble coloring crayons (and adding food coloring to their eliquids)

"As far as changing the Name, Bottles, or Logo, this will not happen. We will not be bullied because at the end of the day there are two things that bother us about this:
#1. We can name 20 top level companies with Cartoon Characters on their bottles, (but will not drag other companies through the dirt).
#2. The moment we go any further than planned, the people that think they made a difference (unlike Laura P.........who actually did) will think OK we can go "Mob Mentality" and force others to change also."

@Racehorse is right, many vapers, and the industry itself, has shot itself in the foot. Many vapers are supporting the above mentioned manufacturer/vendor ,who, obviously feels like the antz and government doesn't have quite enough ammo yet to kill vaping properly and not giving a damn if small children might be attracted to this bottle of eliquid because of said labeling/packaging.

Wow, that's just (something I can't write here).

Sent from my toaster, edited by my dog.

 

[crxess]

{an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/
noun
noun: anarchy
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.}

Including any in disagreement - Even fellows in arms



*in my opinion the Mechanical manifestation of a Troll - Do harm at all cost

 

[Racehorse]

Lol.

Anyway, are we not allowed to say the names of actual ejuices because they may have other connotations?

I wasn't aware of these ejuices, I just picked out the names I saw in posts on ECF forum. I figured they were "vetted" because they were the subject of other posts, and were also being sold in the classifieds.

Since they weren't banned in those topics, so I had no idea my "mentioning" them in this topic would not be okay.

CRACK PIE CLONE
or
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/us-selling-crack-pie-56-ml-1-5-ml.721914/

Also the company who makes it is in the ECF suppliers forum and has contests.

So, how do we "talk" about these ejuices, i.e, if the names offend us, or do we just pretend they don't exist?


And while it is true, that one company isn't an industry, there are a number of companies playing this way...and no, I'm not the least bit embarrassed, if other vapers agree with me or not.

In the past, there were other people who had problems with vaping being portrayed by scantily dressed females in the vaping magazines and in person at certain conventions. They also had right to give that opinion.

Some of us want vaping to be seen as mainstream, grown up and professional as well as being fun, novel, cool and/or alternative. That's all.

I will read up on the Vapeola thing, I was not aware of them doing what they are doing.....but yeah, just another thing we don't "need".

 

[Racehorse]

On their facebook page

"We released it expecting backlash. Hell we wanted "Backlash", we did not expect to get in 24 hours a reach of 6,349 Post reach alone. We assumed get to 5K..."

Is this the same Grand Vapor where the main photo on their page is distinctly made to look like Amy Winehouse? (RIP drug overdose)
https://m.facebook.com/grandvapors/

Or is one grand vapors and the other is grand vapor? (without the s?)

And no, I am quite sure the FDA will not appreciate Grand Vapors' marketing idea, not to mention crayola (notwithstanding even if it turns out to be a bad idea for satire?)

 

[coilburner]

Im not going to read this whole thread but Im guessing the douchebags in reference are the teenagers who never smoked who pick up vaping because its cool. I wouldn't call them douchebags but I think loser is more appropriate. The people who are the ones calling vapers douchebags could be a whole other topic. I have a friend that thinks that we are douchebags and Im pretty sure its because he thinks we go around puffing are clouds not giving a .... about anyone else. this particular individual doesn't like the vapor we create, no surprise there.

 

[Jman8]

this just makes me mad, it is hard to support and have faith in an industry that thinks so little of their customers.

Appeals to emotion aside, please explain why this is so bad.

 

[curiousJan]

Is this the same Grand Vapor where the main photo on their page is distinctly made to look like Amy Winehouse?

I know quite a few people who've taken up that style. Whether that has anything to do with her, I couldn't say. But to leap to that connection seems just that, a leap.

Or is one grand vapors and the other is grand vapor? (without the s?)

And no, I am quite sure the FDA will not appreciate Grand Vapors' marketing idea, not to mention crayola (notwithstanding even if it turns out to be a bad idea for satire?)

I can't find that photo. I'd guess Crayola has reported it and had it removed.

All of that said, that type of marketing is stupid because of copyright infringement, children's safety liability, and timing issues. Companies that pursue this type of PR should be met with market resistance, but I'm not sure what else can be done.

 

[Scottitude]

The Vapeola clowns' attorneys may be able win the name game because the "ola" suffix has been used for so many other products and situations that's it's likely a fair use issue.

They'll probably lose on the label and logo design though. Hallmark's attorneys will undoubtedly argue that the unicorn bottles labeled as they are were intended to confuse or mislead consumers, tarnishing an iconic brand.

It is a pretty douchey move though, knowing or suspecting the crap-storm it will whip up for the ANTZ.

 

[crxess]

The Vapeola clowns' attorneys may be able win the name game because the "ola" suffix has been used for so many other products and situations that's it's likely a fair use issue.

They'll probably lose on the label and logo design though. Hallmark's attorneys will undoubtedly argue that the unicorn bottles labeled as they are were intended to confuse or mislead consumers, tarnishing an iconic brand.

It is a pretty douchey move though, knowing or suspecting the crap-storm it will whip up for the ANTZ.

People choose many roads to self destruction. I see this as just one more with someone so narrow minded as to think their idea is above reproach regardless of public opinion.

 

[Jman8]

I don't know if we should be vaping. ANTZ doesn't like it, and we should be appeasing them at all costs. Everything we can do to make sure ANTZ is happy with us is probably a good thing.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

imho regardless of what else happens with vaping regulations Ejuice will become regulated.
Manufacturers will have to meet certain cleanliness and content certification specifications and be licensed.
And be inspected, Keep batch samples, etc.

A state or two has already done this.

And considering how some companies have lied about the contents of their juice and such I do not personally have a problem with them becoming regulated as with most all other products we consume.

The industry has proven it will not properly self regulate for the consumers protection.

Of course good companies will suffer because of a few bad apples as with all things humans do.

 

[crxess]

Of course good companies will suffer because of a few bad apples as with all things humans do.

sign, sign, everywhere a Sign

Sorry, I'm old enough to remember when people didn't need babysitting

I really do wonder if all this is due to the break down of the Family unit in the Working Class. Both parents forced to work full time to provide or simply have the things that their parents had. So many children raising children until there is a loss of guidance and teaching that prepares one for adult life.
Enter Government - Here have another sign - oh and a TAX to pay for it

 

[Robert Cromwell]

sign, sign, everywhere a Sign

Sorry, I'm old enough to remember when people didn't need babysitting

I really do wonder if all this is due to the break down of the Family unit in the Working Class. Both parents forced to work full time to provide or simply have the things that their parents had. So many children raising children until there is a loss of guidance and teaching that prepares one for adult life.
Enter Government - Here have another sign - oh and a TAX to pay for it

It is the result of a lot of changes. No one thing.
Our programming by the Televidiot box for one thing.
imho the Golden age of our culture in the USA has passed it's peak and is going down.

As far as business self regulating for consumer safety. It never really has in the USA without government intervention. Study Railroad safety, The Titanic prompted govt regulations on adequate number of lifeboats, etc. The auto industry fought seat belts tooth and nail and on and on.

 

[Woofer]

Perhaps off point but kids older than toddlers are not interested in crayons or cartoons. They will like skulls and undead heavy metal military stuff. Boys anyway. Girls will like spiders and such!

 

[herb]

The root problem is Fakebook itself. It is nothing but a cesspool of political correctness. Glad I am not, nor will I ever be, one of Zuckerberg's products. My REAL friends know how to get ahold of me.

One of the most real posts ever made and i salute you Sir . Fakebook is an atrocity imo and does far far more harm than good .

 

[WereBear]

I wasn't aware of these ejuices, I just picked out the names I saw in posts on ECF forum. I figured they were "vetted" because they were the subject of other posts, and were also being sold in the classifieds.

Since they weren't banned in those topics, so I had no idea my "mentioning" them in this topic would not be okay.

CRACK PIE CLONE
or
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/us-selling-crack-pie-56-ml-1-5-ml.721914/
...snipped...

Thanks for posting that. For some reason (being unfamiliar with this brand) I kept thinking you were posting "pot pie".