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the 900+mil is only 2% of SG's total tax collections. it's the fallout from legalisation.

However, it is unnecessary to research something when there are facts available. Clinical trials, no matter how many of them there are, can only provide evidence - they cannot prove something. Reliable national statistics though, can be regarded as proof, since they are a fact. Sweden has far less people dying from smoking than anywhere else in the developed world, which is why it is sometimes called the Swedish Miracle. Sweden has about half the smoking-related death rate of the EU average, and all statistics related to morbidity and mortality associated with smoking are significantly reduced in comparison with those in comparable countries. Sweden has the lowest figures in the EU for any disease associated with smoking. Allowing for the two-decade timelag in the rise or fall of disease stats resulting from increased or reduced smoking or tobacco use, the reduction in death and illness is equal to the reduction in the number of smokers (and by implication the number who are Snus consumers).

Sweden is a disaster for pharma since much lower quantities of treatment drugs are required there, and they are desperate to stop anything like it happening elsewhere.

Source: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/294230-opposition-e-cigarettes-health-risk-analysis.html
 

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For me, it's not so much the way we're being persecuted, but the way vaping is being dismissed out of hand.

"KBW, local Health Minister, said: "This is a pack of cigarettes, electrical cigarettes. It releases nicotine. It even lights up. And there are health warnings: 'Smoking is harmful for health. E-cigarettes are good for health.' Many of these products closely resemble confectionary items. Clearly the intent is for them to act as starter products that get young non-smokers addicted to nicotine."

For me, vaping has changed my life.
As a decade-and-more smoker, vaping has literally broken the chains for me.

To dismiss this and to persecute this makes me feel like the government has absolutely no concern for it's people.

In 2013, I'd like to see decent unbiased research into vaping and some show of concern from an otherwise uncaring and money-minded government.
 
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For me, it's not so much the way we're being persecuted, but the way vaping is being dismissed out of hand.

"KBW, local Health Minister, said: "This is a pack of cigarettes, electrical cigarettes. It releases nicotine. It even lights up. And there are health warnings: 'Smoking is harmful for health. E-cigarettes are good for health.' Many of these products closely resemble confectionary items. Clearly the intent is for them to act as starter products that get young non-smokers addicted to nicotine."

For me, vaping has changed my life.
As a decade-and-more smoker, vaping has literally broken the chains for me.

To dismiss this and to persecute this makes me feel like the government has absolutely no concern for it's people.

In 2013, I'd like to see decent unbiased research into vaping and some show of concern from an otherwise uncaring and money-minded government.

In reality, the number of vapers plus those interested in vaping here are still not big enough to make a difference. No pressure means nothing to push the govt to change policy. Waiting for some powerhouse to 'care' for us and do in depth research for our benefit is like waiting to strike lottery.

p/s : I've edited your text a bit to make it less obvious and less google friendly.
 
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In reality, the number of vapers plus those interested in vaping here are still not big enough to make a difference. No pressure means nothing to push the govt to change policy. Waiting for some powerhouse to 'care' for us and do in depth research for our benefit is like waiting to strike lottery.

p/s : I've edited your text a bit to make it less obvious and less google friendly.


I like your idea there, but the thing is...once thier yearly tax is affected, then you would see big brither doing something about it...when it comes to Foreigners they close one eye, when its about their $$$ I am sure they will open out three eyes out ..thats why SDPC are printed in analogs cause there is an increase in the buying of contraband and their tax was affected..to them eve $0.01 still counts!
 

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I like your idea there, but the thing is...once thier yearly tax is affected, then you would see big brither doing something about it...when it comes to Foreigners they close one eye, when its about their $$$ I am sure they will open out three eyes out ..thats why SDPC are printed in analogs cause there is an increase in the buying of contraband and their tax was affected..to them eve $0.01 still counts!

Tobacco tax accounted for 2% of total tax income for 2011 with majority coming from income tax, gst bla bla bla. So IMO loss of tobacco tax is not detrimental.

It's the loss of income from big pharma when they sell lesser drug and equipment if people stop falling sick. sweden is a living example with Snus and big pharma is desperate to stop this from happening in other parts of the world.

Also less ppl fall sick = less medication = less hospitalisation = less medi-whatever withdrawal = less reason to eat your CXF = more time to think.

some government dun like their ppl to think.
 

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So what's gonna be the thing that forces the governing body to act on this?

Just saw online that a gay couple came out to challenge the gov. I wonder if that will tip their hand.

I don't see any factors that will reverse the govt's decision on this. Bear in mind that Snus has a quarter of a century of scientific and clinical studies in Sweden and Europe but SG has not allowed its sales. This itself says a lot about the decision making process.

I won't go into what conspiracy theorists say about pharmas here
 
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