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haleysdadda

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That's fine, as a personal choice. Can you give me an actual reason, backed up with evidence, as to why the government should restrict others from doing so? Since the evidence against second hand smoke is largely manufactured, the evidence against second hand vapor is nonexistent.
No sir I can't & I won't even try! As stated
I absolutely agree with you that the laws today are really getting stupid!
I also believe that laws against personal choice are unconstitutional! See I believe many things but what I don't believe is that I or anyone else has the right to legislate personal choice as long as those choices don't have a negative effect on my liberties! For example although I don't believe in gay marriage I don't believe it's up to me to ask my gov't to not allow gays to be married! See this is why I stopped going to the political threads because those guys aren't looking at the big picture IMHO! Keep fighting the good fight brother! But I choose not to debate this with you further!
 

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No sir I can't & I won't even try! As stated

I also believe that laws against personal choice are unconstitutional! See I believe many things but what I don't believe is that I or anyone else has the right to legislate personal choice as long as those choices don't have a negative effect on my liberties! For example although I don't believe in gay marriage I don't believe it's up to me to ask my gov't to not allow gays to be married! See this is why I stopped going to the political threads because those guys aren't looking at the big picture IMHO! Keep fighting the good fight brother! But I choose not to debate this with you further!
I think we're actually on the same page, as far as you have the right to make your choices and I have the right to make mine, and the government has no right to step in in either case.
 

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Now my own opinion. hmm.
I think that there is not much issue with vaping around your kid.
I had been exposed to second hand smoke as a child. While I would not smoke around a child if I still smoked, since I believe Vaping to be completely harmless, I would not have too many issues with vaping around my own child. There is absolutely nothing that says it is bad.... so why wouldnt I?

Mind if it turned out and said that it was worse than regular city air for my child or if my child had respiratory issues I wouldnt.

However... the "institute" needs to stop worrying about what is good for me and my family, (which I think is just a roundabout strategy), and worry about other things. I'm an Adult. I can take care of myself.
 

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Now my own opinion. hmm.
I think that there is not much issue with Vaping around your kid.
I had been exposed to second hand smoke as a child. While I would not smoke around a child if I still smoked, since I believe Vaping to be completely harmless, I would not have too many issues with vaping around my own child. There is absolutely nothing that says it is bad.... so why wouldnt I?

Mind if it turned out and said that it was worse than regular city air for my child or if my child had respiratory issues I wouldnt.

However... the "institute" needs to stop worrying about what is good for me and my family, (which I think is just a roundabout strategy), and worry about other things. I'm an Adult. I can take care of myself.

I think one should not expose kids to things we don't know enough about..i don't vape around my grandson. I think it's harmless..however, i am not going to subject my grandson to it because it's my choice to vape..not theirs.
 

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If I could prove scientifically that listening to nickelback is hazardous to your health, possibly.

I think you know I'm joking, but just to be sure, I'm joking. :D

I seriously don't think you watched the video....or you would have got the point i was making.
 
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I have been an active member here for well over 4 years but it is time for me to take a break. It seems like more and more threads just upset me. We all seemed to be in this together when I first joined but over the past year it all seemed to have changed. I am seeing to many post made by to many folks that have been convinced that vaping is no better than smoking.

There are just to many here now that believe that we should refrain from vaping if smoking isn't allowed--even outdoors. Those that believe we are being rude if we even allow anyone to see us vape. Those that believe we should just go hide in a corner and be ashamed of this life saving journey we have taken. As far as I am concerned the ANTZ have just about won the battle and I am just plain tired of it. I will continue to vape but can no longer put myself through the stress of what this has become.

I am going to miss a lot of folks that I have met here but enough is enough.

I take vaping with a grain of salt If that makes sense. I can understand being frustrated. I agree for the most part, I think we should be allowed in places that is respectful to others. Nobody wants vape blown in there faces (People who don't vape). That's basically all I agree with. I just won't let this take over my life. When I started vaping I noticed so many fighting and arguing against those people who are against It. I believe that they can't do anything to those who want to Vape, It hasn't been proved to harm as Tobacco does.. I enjoy nicotine. I just recently went down to 3 mg's and now enjoy flavor as much as the nic. If you are true to vaping and have joined cassa then why would you care what other people think? If you stand for something and truly care, why would you let those fools break you down? Just a thought. Vaping is Doooope (Awesome)!
 
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I think one should not expose kids to things we don't know enough about..i don't vape around my grandson. I think it's harmless..however, i am not going to subject my grandson to it because it's my choice to vape..not theirs.

Well I feel like enough tests have been done that show that second hand vapor is about as harmless, If not less harmful than regular city air. I feel I know enough about it to say that its at least not very harmful.
And that argument can be used for a whole host of things. that you should not do something because you do not know a whole lot about it. that is a fairly new Idea. History has usually been on the side of do something until you find out its harmful. I would not blow the vapor in the kids face, in fact I would probably, and have, blown it in an opposite direction. but that is just politeness, i think.



When I had my babies you could still smoke in the hospital room.

Hehe.
And now, Where I am, They have a smoking room in the hospital.
And they usually have 2 sections for restaurants. Smoking, and the larger non smoking. Or for Bars. The small non smoking section, and the rest of the bar, which is smoking, and which you need to go through to get drinks. Which I dont really get. I guess there is many more smokers who drink. The non smoking section only has half a wall and is kinda pathetic and pointless. i guess it means, no one will smoke within 2 meters of you...so long as you are in the center. Although it does have a couch, so there is that incentive.
 

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Hehe.
And now, Where I am, They have a smoking room in the hospital.
And they usually have 2 sections for restaurants. Smoking, and the larger non smoking. Or for Bars. The small non smoking section, and the rest of the bar, which is smoking, and which you need to go through to get drinks. Which I dont really get. I guess there is many more smokers who drink. The non smoking section only has half a wall and is kinda pathetic and pointless. i guess it means, no one will smoke within 2 meters of you...so long as you are in the center. Although it does have a couch, so there is that incentive.
That's how it all started in the US. First they gave the non smokers an area (and yeah, what were they thinking making the non smokers walk through the smoking section to get there?). They slowly pushed us smokers outside.
 

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And i just want to point out that Lessifer is one of the few people on this forum that actually makes me think...Less we disagree on things but i respect your views.
Agreed, and right back at ya :) If I didn't value your opinion and think you had something to offer, I wouldn't bother replying directly to you.

You hold a very popular view, it's more popular outside of vaping circles than within, but it is popular. Same with a few others on this forum. So I'll keep putting up my views, and see what works.
 

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It comes down to respect. If you are going to vape in public do it in respect of others. There is no guideline to this other than as being a adult you should know already what should be acceptable. If I go out to dinner or a movie I take a Halo cigalike with me topped off with some 24mg or higher liquid. You can do this anywhere and not anyone would even notice. Chuckin clouds and drawing attention usually draws bad attention and bad press.

Choose your weapon wisely when stepping out the front door. It could save all our butts in the end as far as legislation. I know there will be some we cannot change that, but maybe we can change the way normies feel about us.
 
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