Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[TheotherSteveS]

I built a titanium aquarium for my first foray into salt water...wasn't expensive...I had a free source of titanium sheet. There's a house in Connecticut that has a big built in aquarium that will be there when the foundation crumbles.

Duane

Hey duane
Where were you in CT?? I lived in New Haven for 4 years in the last millennium!!
Steve

 

[TheBloke]

Thanks for that chart, @TheBloke! I'm trying out the stock Ti coils for the Delta II, so far they seem to be doing pretty well. Right now I've got my Invader Mini set at 350F, which (theoretically) would be around 450F. I'm not sure how accurate the temp is on the Invader Mini, but the few nickel builds I did I set around 450 - 470, so it does seem relevant to wet coils as well (at least in a sample group of me and Tony!).

Edit: I sent a message to Sweet Vapes (US vendor I order from frequently) inquiring if they were going to start stocking Ti wire, and the response I got was "Hopefully soon".

It is practically for certain that the chart listed above applies only to the authentic DNA 40, not to ChiDNA 40s (Invader Mini), not to Yihi SX Mini M / IPV4, etc.

That's based on our own experimentation with the DNA 40 versus Chinese mods, the DNA 40 always needed a bit higher. I will be testing my Kangxin Mini VF (same chip, pretty much, as your Invader Mini) and IPV4 soon.

My back-of-the-envelope expectation is that your 350°C on the Invader is equivalent to at least 500°F.

However, you're using coil heads, which are notorious for requiring higher settings. Ni200 coils often need 500°F too.

So your 350°F may well be right, it's just that it's right for 500°F which is right for coil heads. It wouldn't be right for a Ti build in an atty, which would be right at 450°F and therefore around 270-290°F would be right. Right?

I'll be doing more testing on this as soon as I can.

 

[jks89]

According to Joyetech (so with the large grain of salt I usually apply to manufacturer's statements) the recommended temp for their Ti coil is 450-500F. I haven't done the water test myself, but I think @awsum140 did and got some interesting results (boiling around 200 with both Ni200 and Ti?). It would definitely make sense that my "actual" temperature is some within that 450-500 range.

Now that I'm thinking about it more, I think 450 was towards the lower end of where I was setting Ni200 builds.

I guess what we really need at this point is someone to fit a thermometer in there somewhere, instead of all this complicated TCR business.

 

[awsum140]

Yes, I had water boiling with an Invader Mini at 200 with both Ni200 and Ti Grade 1. I'm using it, with Ti, at 280F and it is producing nice, not outstanding, flavor and great vapor. I think that the ohm meter in the Invader is off, low, by about 20% and I suspect that the temperature indication is also off and, probably, by more than 20%. Accuracy in clones is a virtue yet to be learned but maybe that's why they're clones and cheaper.

 

[jks89]

Yes, I had water boiling with an Invader Mini at 200 with both Ni200 and Ti Grade 1.

I had a thought about this earlier - Have you noticed the Invader Mini showing a temp BELOW 200? I'm wondering if 200 is just the lowest displayed temperature.

 

[awsum140]

No, mine doesn't display a temperature below 200, at least not that I've seen even when vaping in the mirror to check on things, LOL.

 

[TheBloke]

According to Joyetech (so with the large grain of salt I usually apply to manufacturer's statements) the recommended temp for their Ti coil is 450-500F. I haven't done the water test myself, but I think @awsum140 did and got some interesting results (boiling around 200 with both Ni200 and Ti?). It would definitely make sense that my "actual" temperature is some within that 450-500 range.

Now that I'm thinking about it more, I think 450 was towards the lower end of where I was setting Ni200 builds.

I guess what we really need at this point is someone to fit a thermometer in there somewhere, instead of all this complicated TCR business.

My Joyetech VT full kit arrives tomorrow, and it's high on my list for validation I haven't yet probed any coil heads, so it'll be interesting to see how possible that is - I'm pretty sure I can manage something though. What I expect to find is that the 450 - 500°F they quote is more like 400-450°F at most; that seems to be the case with the Ni200 heads from Kanger and others. Always requires a setting higher than is actually achieved - no doubt due at least in part to the longer wires required for coil heads versus self-built coils in RTAs and RDAs.

Your wish will soon be answered in the form of the new Innokin thermometer-in-a-tank system It will require their mod and their special tank, but it will temperature monitor any kind of coil, including Kanthal. In theory at least, and it's looking promising from the videos they've done.

Of course that does seem to be limited only to their coil heads, to start at least. No word on when, or even whether, they will make one that allows rebuiladable coils - an RTA with a sensor, basically. My guess is it will come, but likely not in the first release.

 

[druckle]

Hey duane
Where were you in CT?? I lived in New Haven for 4 years in the last millennium!!
Steve

Glastonbury....Hartford suburb.

Duane

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Glastonbury....Hartford suburb.

Duane

Nice. Played in the Buweiser league pool regional finals in Hartford haha! Lost badly but hey not bad for a Brit scientist geek!! Love CT as a state. Not so keen on NH but I'm sure it was a great town in its heyday!!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

My Joyetech VT full kit arrives tomorrow, and it's high on my list for validation I haven't yet probed any coil heads, so it'll be interesting to see how possible that is - I'm pretty sure I can manage something though. What I expect to find is that the 450 - 500°F they quote is more like 400-450°F at most; that seems to be the case with the Ni200 heads from Kanger and others. Always requires a setting higher than is actually achieved - no doubt due at least in part to the longer wires required for coil heads versus self-built coils in RTAs and RDAs.

Your wish will soon be answered in the form of the new Innokin thermometer-in-a-tank system It will require their mod and their special tank, but it will temperature monitor any kind of coil, including Kanthal. In theory at least, and it's looking promising from the videos they've done.

Of course that does seem to be limited only to their coil heads, to start at least. No word on when, or even whether, they will make one that allows rebuiladable coils - an RTA with a sensor, basically. My guess is it will come, but likely not in the first release.

I think the acronym for Thermometer In Tank System works well....

 

[druckle]

Nice. Played in the Buweiser league pool regional finals in Hartford haha! Lost badly but hey not bad for a Brit scientist geek!! Love CT as a state. Not so keen on NH but I'm sure it was a great town in its heyday!!

Well New Haven has it' s one jewel.....
but if you're not there for education...yeah it's more like a lump of coal.

I was in CT for 16 years and liked it a lot (especially the first week in October).....
Of course I remember the year it snowed in June....and we had our first frost in September of that same year.

I have to admit that was a trial by ice.

Now in Arizona I have a yearly preview of hell so I won't be surprised someday.

Duane

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Well New Haven has it' s one jewel.....
but if you're not there for education...yeah it's more like a lump of coal.

I was in CT for 16 years and liked it a lot (especially the first week in October).....
Of course I remember the year it snowed in June....and we had our first frost in September of that same year.

I have to admit that was a trial by ice.

Now in Arizona I have a yearly preview of hell so I won't be surprised someday.

Duane

I was at Yale which was a great experience but you take that out and there isn't much left of NH!

 

[jks89]

No, mine doesn't display a temperature below 200, at least not that I've seen even when vaping in the mirror to check on things, LOL.

Totally just spit-balling here, but here's my thought on your results (which may already be the conclusion you've come to): Both were actually reading a temperature below 200, and just didn't display it. You had mentioned before you thought it was reading around 20% low, which would put 211 reading around .. 170? And obviously the temperature reading for Ti would be even lower.

Edit: Assuming 211 randomly based on what I'm remembering from other people's boil temperature.

Your wish will soon be answered in the form of the new Innokin thermometer-in-a-tank system It will require their mod and their special tank, but it will temperature monitor any kind of coil, including Kanthal. In theory at least, and it's looking promising from the videos they've done.

I think the acronym for Thermometer In Tank System works well....

I've heard a little bit about Innokin's project, but haven't looked into it yet. I'm trying to avoid looking at new things as much as possible, because once I see it... I NEED IT! And I agree, I really hope the official acronym is Thermometer In Tank System.

I was at Yale which was a great experience but you take that out and there isn't much left of NH!

New Hampshire is just an upside-down Vermont, anyway!

 

[awsum140]

And I thought Vermont was an upside down New Hampshire!

I guesstimated the 20% error could be 15% too, based on the boiling I saw at 200 degrees with Ni200, which was the first test I did. The ambient temperature in the room was around 80, Folding@Home machine churning right under the desk, and that could also have been a factor. Next time I try it I'll do it in the basement where the temperature is closer to the 68F reference, supposed reference, anyway.

 

[jks89]

And I though Vermont was an upside down New Hampshire!

We all make mistakes!

If I had one of those fancy temperature gauge things some of you guys have, I'd do some testing on it. Instead I'll just set, shrug, and vape.

 

[druckle]

NH....this time it's New Haven...and no black flies!

Duane

 

[awsum140]

You know you're in New Hampshire in the spring time when you have to get out and use a scraper to get the black flies off the windshield. (True story)

 

[druckle]

You know you're in New Hampshire in the spring time when you have to get out and use a scraper to get the black flies off the windshield. (True story)

I'm allergic to bee stings. We drove up to visit some friends in New Hampshire during the "season" and as we were driving along I looked out through the car windows and I could see folks out in bee helmets everywhere. That was before the days of cell phones so we couldn't call ahead to ask what was going on. I almost turned the car around but decided New Hampshire was beautiful enough it wasn't a bad place to die.

When we got to our friends house they were waving like mad behind their windows...no way were they going to come out to greet us.

It was mass attack but we made it.

Duane

 

[jks89]

NH....this time it's New Haven...and no black flies!

That's what I get for skimming!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Totally just spit-balling here, but here's my thought on your results (which may already be the conclusion you've come to): Both were actually reading a temperature below 200, and just didn't display it. You had mentioned before you thought it was reading around 20% low, which would put 211 reading around .. 170? And obviously the temperature reading for Ti would be even lower.

Edit: Assuming 211 randomly based on what I'm remembering from other people's boil temperature.





I've heard a little bit about Innokin's project, but haven't looked into it yet. I'm trying to avoid looking at new things as much as possible, because once I see it... I NEED IT! And I agree, I really hope the official acronym is Thermometer In Tank System.



New Hampshire is just an upside-down Vermont, anyway!

NH - New Haven lol..