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OP, the other reason we're pretty opposed to non-smokers picking up PV's is, the more people out there like YOU, (and please, no offence), the more you prove the people trying to ban these wonderful, LIFE SAVING devices, right.

They're trying to BAN electronic cigarettes. One of their 'points' is that non-smokers, (like you!), will be attracted to them because they think they're COOL.

No offense taken. I also must have misspoken in my original post. Yes I thought they were cool being a geek and all, but I also thought that switching to EC's from analogs would be better for me. You are right it would be better to not start at all.

As far as hurting your cause I have signed every petetion that I could find. If anything I would not want to ruin this for anyone.
 
Glad to hear it...and I'm glad you didn't take offense..none meant..

Here's MY opinion/non-solicited advice..stop smoking and don't start vaping, you don't need either.

Thank you for information and opinion, I really do appreciate it. I might just put the money towards something for my house or a PS3. Thank you for the information and advice.
 

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OP, the other reason we're pretty opposed to non-smokers picking up PV's is, the more people out there like YOU, (and please, no offence), the more you prove the people trying to ban these wonderful, LIFE SAVING DEVICES, right.

They're trying to BAN electronic cigarettes. One of their 'points' is that non-smokers, (like you!), will be attracted to them because they think they're COOL.

That's YOU in a nut-shell.

They are NOT cool.

They are NOT toys.

The only thing your lungs are equipped to breathe is fresh, clean AIR.

Sure, they may be healthier than cigarettes..but YOU DON'T SMOKE!! :confused:

So please, do us ALL a favor, and find something else 'techie' to amuse yourself with, the rest of us are trying to keep these things legal.

Domino,

I could not agree more! No offense to the OP, but, man, there are lots of other gadgets out there to play with. To us, these are life saving devices and I for one could not stand to see them banned.

To add to one of Domino's other post's, this could whole thread could be pulled by the FDA, BT or BP to prove their point. I'm not an overly paranoid person, but since I live in NJ ;), where e-cigs got lumped into the smoking ban, well...
 
Domino,

I could not agree more! No offense to the OP, but, man, there are lots of other gadgets out there to play with. To us, these are life saving devices and I for one could not stand to see them banned.

To add to one of Domino's other post's, this could whole thread could be pulled by the FDA, BT or BP to prove their point. I'm not an overly paranoid person, but since I live in NJ ;), where e-cigs got lumped into the smoking ban, well...

No offense taken. As I stated to my response to Domino, I might have misspoken in my original post. Yes I thought they were cool devices being a geek and all, but I also thought that switching to EC's from analogs better for me.

As far as hurting your cause I have signed every petetion that I could find. If anything I would not want to ruin this for anyone.
 

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I apologize, bigboyblake, I was confused and meant I wish brian would have never recommended an analog cigarette to the vaping lady.

Now, about the link, if you can post here at ECF, then I'm sure you can access the thread, because it's all in here at ECF, but check it when you can, I wish brian's friend could too.

Link:
What's in a cigarette:



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I didn't recommend smoking to a vaping lady... I recommend not to vape to someone who isn't addicted to nicotine.

If someone smokes a cigarette once in a blue moon I will not promote e cigs and don't promote smoking analogs either.....

Since you think such horrible advice was given I will show the "vaping lady" who doesn't vape your link and let her make her own choices.
 

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I didn't recommend smoking to a vaping lady... I recommend not to vape to someone who isn't addicted to nicotine.

If someone smokes a cigarette once in a blue moon I will not promote e cigs and don't promote smoking analogs either.....

Since you think such horrible advice was given I will show the "vaping lady" who doesn't vape your link and let her make her own choices.


Originally Posted by brian1g
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A friend asked about vaping instead of her regular smoking when she drank, I strongly advised against it. I know it sounds funny but I think having a couple analogs once every month or so when you drink would be easier on your body than taking in nicotine on a regular basis imo.
Ok sorry about the confusion, but from what you stated, I indicated that vaping does not equal nicotine first of all. Who says vaping has to have nicotine?

Then, what I did, or meant to do, was tried to let you know that one analog is harmful. So I apologize if I took it that you suggested an analog outright, but a couple analogs every now and then ARE indeed harmful, and lung cilia may not heal, analog smoke is so bad that it is even bad when it's second hand or third hand. Condoning, approving, or encouraging or whatever, a couple analogs every now and then is definitely carcinogenic, and I don't know who at ECF would do that. Sorry if any misunderstanding. :) I now understand that you would not promote analog cigarettes.

But thank you and those who checked the link. Knowing what is in a cigarette is precious information. Unfortunately, even if BT (big tobacco) was ordered to write it on the packs, the writing would have to be microscopic.
 
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Ok sorry about the confusion, but from what you stated, I indicated that vaping does not equal nicotine first of all. Who says vaping has to have nicotine?

No confusion here I understood what you were trying to stay and thought that vaping with no nicotine was a good idea. Though there were a few that I have spoken to who wonder why bother?

But thank you and those who checked the link. Knowing what is in a cigarette is precious information. Unfortunately, even if BT (big tobacco) was ordered to write it on the packs, the writing would have to be microscopic.

I couldn't believe all the stuff in the cigarettes!

Thank you for your response.
 

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I quit smoking years ago, but I ordered up an e-cig kit and I'm loving every puff. Coming to this board and reading the terminology is like stepping into a Philip K. .... novel.

I can see why the gov't would be concerned. They are as addicted to tobacco tax revenue as people are addicted to tobacco. But I think the best strategy is to get as many people vaping as possible. The more who do it, the harder it is to criminalize.
 

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well he already smokes, and is thinking about smoking MORE, so a PV would be a better option as an alternative to that.
Way more control with PV also - YOU choose how much or how little nic you take in, not some cig company. You can even go nic-free if you want while satisfying that hand to mouth habit (which I think is way more addictive anyway, lots of ex smokers who are non vapers eat to compensate).
 

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Blake, just to summarize, and correct me if I'm wrong:

You've been smoking for 6-7 months... smoke 4-5 sticks a day, but not everyday... and can go weeks/months without smoking.

But you enjoy the relaxation smoking gives you, so you're concerned that you could easily be smoking a pack or more a day.

I believe the consensus of the members was try to stop smoking without picking up e-cigs. This is a viable option because you're really not addicted...nic doesn't control you yet.

The consensus also was that if you ARE going to continue smoking, switch to e-cigs as a safer alternative. You suggested, and one member agreed, that you start with 0 nic and see how that works BEFORE considering increasing the nic content. Zero should work because nic hasn't yet set its hooks in you. E-cigs will give you the same opportunity to relax and lounge in the backyard that your analogs did.

Does that cover it? If it does, looks like a plan to me. Let us know what you decide.
 
I want to thank everyone for the responses, and for their input, I really do appreciate it. I also want to apologize for not being clear in my posts.

A BRIEF SMOKING HISTORY:

I have attempted to smoke cigarettes on three occasions: (1) grammar school (8 year old) “borrowed” my uncle’s Camels, (2) middle school “borrowed” my cousin’s Marlboro, and then (3) my sophomore year of high school a friend thought I was too straight lace and put one stick in my backpack with a note. All three attempts made me sicker than a dog and best friends with the toilet bowl. I swore I never would do it again each time.

I started to smoke around October, November, or December of 2009—to be honest I cannot remember. I consider myself a closet smoker and usually smoke at night in my backyard, rarely did I smoke inside.

Around this time work was getting stressful with the City (like other cities) going through their budget cuts. I didn’t know from day to day whether I had a job or not, and management strived on feeding the rumor mills. To cope with the stress I was walking on the tread mill and eating. I talked to a few guys that worked with me and they said that handling stress for them was drinking and smoking a good cigarette or cigar.

I bought a pack of Marlboro Reds that night at the local gas station; the guy knew me from filling up at the station and told me that if I am serious about starting to purchase a few brands, so I did. Yeah I know it was stupid but the guy made sense about finding the right brand if I am serious.

I started to smoke on my Fridays as a reward for a long week. I would go outside with my ice tea, sit on my glider, and just relax. I do not know if it was psychological or what, but I became calmer and more relaxed than normal. Each Friday I would sample from each brand. If I wasn’t in the mood for a cigarette I tried one of the cigars that the attendant gave me to try.

I did not really think one or two a week was going to do anything to me health-wise. I escalated my smoking from once a week to days that were really crappy. I went from once a week to maybe one or two every other day. Towards the end of the year, I was up to three to four sticks a day and cigars.

NOTE: Cigars weren’t anything special or expensive the guy gave me cigarillo (Swishers) Perfectos (Swishers), and another one that I think was called Black Beard or something.

The beginning of the year I have escalated again after being transferred to an unfamiliar department. A Perfecto Cigar, and a few sticks every night, all depending on my mood and availability. During my furlough, I have smoked a pack a day, which I found was easy to do if you don’t have anything else to do.

Put simply I am not addicted to them like some of the members on the board smoking for years (some decades). I am relatively new to the smoking world. I have gone weeks and a month or two without smoking without much of problem. I will admit that I like it when I walk by someone and smell the aroma of a particular cigarette. I will admit that I dream about it sometimes, waking up with the smell of it and taste of it. Addicted, who knows?

Reading through my original posts, I see that I was not very clear. I now realize that electronic cigarettes for some are means to end their addiction to cigarettes.

My original question was whether or not electronic cigarettes would be safe for me to start?

I should have posed my question in the following: An individual is interested in smoking if he has to choose between cigarettes or electronic cigarettes, what would be the better choice?

I know everyone’s answer is don’t start at all, and that you wouldn’t recommend someone starting smoking either. My question entails that an individual already has their mind made up on to smoke regardless of other’s trying to deter them.

V1JOHN: Thank you for the informational on smoking analog cigarettes, I am most definitely shocked at all the ingredients that go into one little cigarette, many of them I have never heard of. Kind of makes me wonder if the same stuff goes into cigars?

“I think part of it is that I don’t want any part of getting someone addicted to e-cigs thinking they are safe and finding out otherwise later on … “ I appreciate this sentiment and feel that I might have been to vague in my original post as to what I was seeking in terms of answers.

“OP, the reason we’re pretty opposed to non-smokers picking up PV’s the more people out there like YOU, (and please, no offense), the more you prove the people trying to ban these wonderful, LIFE SAVING DEVICES, right.

They’re trying to BAN electronic cigarettes. One of their ‘points’ is that non-smokers, (like you!), will be attracted to them because they think they’re COOL.

That’s YOU in a nut-shell.

They are NOT cool

They are NOT toys.

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So please, do us ALL a favor, and find something else ‘techie’ to amuse yourself with, the rest of us are trying to keep things legal.”

When I stated: When I started to read about EC’s I was attracted to them because I am a technological geek and it intrigued me.

I was attracted to the technology and did not intend on buying them until I did further research. I was more curious about the functionality of the product than the actual smoking of it. I will admit I am a tech geek, but I would not buy a product unless I intended to utilize it.

In my opinion, I am a smoker, and even though I am not trying to quit a decade old addiction, I still smoke and am looking for an alternative form. My thinking is that I would be going from smoking analogs, which everyone agrees is bad for you, to smoking an electronic cigarette that is “safer” than analogs.

“Here’s MY opinion/non-solicited advice..stop smoking and don’t start vaping, you don’t need either.”

Thank you for your opinion, I really do appreciate it. Like I mentioned prior I am just researching it and weighing the pros and cons of the product. In the end, I will most likely put the money that I would have spent on a PV and accessories to a new computer or something for the house.

Thank you all for your information and opinions, I really do appreciate it.

Blake.
 

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I would only tell someone who doesn't smoke at all or someone who quit smoking long ago (like more then a few years) to not vape.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

With all the great people I run into here trying anything and everything to get the monkey off their backs, I couldn't imagin anyone want to put on.

I guess when I strated smoking it was because it was "cool". I guess. The long and the short of it is not being able to quit something or having to do something that others think is cool is Not cool at all.
 
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