Tobacco DIY %?
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I said I would and I did. It was kind of a rush job as I want to get the info up before this thread consumes itself. Liquid Barn Butterscotch Graham tobacco. It's clear, PG based. Went 7%, it's a little light, I think 10% would be better. First impression is it's decent, I get vanilla, butterscotch, very minor graham, and little to no tobacco. The butterscotch is good. I'd actually class this as a bakery base (pie crust, graham cracker crust, etc.), not a tobacco. Again, it was a rush job, and my test rda is definitely in need of a rewick. It's on my radar now for further experimentation.
I do appreciate that this thread encouraged me to dig into my Liquid Barn extracts. They were my first flavors that came with the starter kit I ordered from LB. My DIY interests just took off at lightning speed from the moment that kit came into my hands. Those 10 poor little Liquid Barn extracts kind of got lost in the shuffle.
I do appreciate that this thread encouraged me to dig into my Liquid Barn extracts. They were my first flavors that came with the starter kit I ordered from LB. My DIY interests just took off at lightning speed from the moment that kit came into my hands. Those 10 poor little Liquid Barn extracts kind of got lost in the shuffle.
Thanks Jambi! Much appreciated that you went and did a test batch. I am not sure how I will react to a bakery blend and I have not found the recipe for the Tobacco I am using at present and I also cant wait to jump right into the DIY. Did you ramp right up to 10% or did you gradually increase it? I have this image in my head of starting out with a 30 ML batch and winding up with 100 MLs before I perfect or tweak it to my liking! 
Thanks again for digging into the Liquid Barn flavors!
Thanks again for digging into the Liquid Barn flavors!
I haven't tried it at 10%. I went 7% and it's decent but still sets off my "could use more flavor" alarm. May be alright at 7-8 though. Sometimes that alarm goes off falsely when I'm flavor-searching for something on a label ("tobacco" in this case) that isn't immediately evident. Only way to know for sure is play with it yourself. My posts are only reflective of my personal experiences. Your mileage will vary.
Just trying to find a starting point for myself and to try and not set off on the wrong foot. Your experiences and observations are exactly what I am looking for and they are greatly appreciated. Once I get my feet wet so to speak it will be much easier. From my research I see so many different opinions on making tobacco e-Liquids and the weirdest part is the manufacturer of the LB Tobacco Extract has not recommended starting %.
Thanks again for you breaking out and using the Liquid Barn extract!
Thanks again for you breaking out and using the Liquid Barn extract!
I made the mistake of not choosing the right shipping and still waiting! This is a killer watching the progress across the country! I can't wait to put some of these great suggestions to good use with my first creation.
Appreciate everyone for the person experiences that they have provided!
Appreciate everyone for the person experiences that they have provided!
Not all droppers are created equal. I have done a scale test with some droppers I have and came up with some are 20 drops per mil up to over 40 drops per mil so someone's 10 drops might not be the same as your 10 drops. After I found such a variance in droppers I never used drops as a measuring technique.
He said he 10 drops and many of the measuring tools display 1ML as being 20 drops. That is why I compared his 10 drops to 1/2 an ML. I will be going by ML's which would be more accurate as you said not all drops are equal. Also take into account the viscosity of the fluid in those drops and temperature can all affect the size of the drops. But Thanks for pointing that out from your personal experience it is greatly appreciated.
That 20 drops you see is a default number they use and has to be set to the drops per mil of that particular concentrate's jug so you cant really go by that 20 at all. Spend the money on a scale rather than syringes and needles, you will quickly figure the hassles of always cleaning syringes and with a scale virtually no mess unless you spill.
I just rebottled my flavorings to the same type of bottle with the same droppers - works for me. I use drops because I use wee tiny amounts . I change the 20 drops per ml to 33 drops per ml. Your mileage may vary. 
My way using 1 ML is more accurate than drops and why I said 20 drops is approximate. But an ML is an ML. A scale on the other hand to be accurate requires CALIBRATION to confirm accuracy.
@SteveS45 - true but sometimes I use less than 0.10%.Also I make 1.5 - 6ml testers most generally I make 3ml testers, since I do not feel I need to taste test for more than a day. YMMV
Thanks for your input on personal experiences that is exactly what I am pursuing! Yes, I can understand the need use drops but it was another member bring up doing it by weight. What would .15 ML actually actually weigh? Two more days maximum shipping time left so soon my DIY adventure begins.
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Thanks for the link so 10% of 1.5 ML is one drop if I used the calculator correctly.
you would have to weigh the drop, as drops are not all created equal...making sure to select the correct density on the calculator too, which that one is nice cause it does list different densities...
I doubt I will be shooting for that kind of accuracy. Just overkill in my opinion. Although when it comes to the Nicotine that I will make sure is as accurate as humanly possible but I doubt I will be weighing versus measuring ML's.
Accuracy is one of the main reasons I started making my own juice with a scale. Some juice vendors its more volume sales rather than consistency so bummer to the person that buys that juice, so making a mistake with too much of this or too little of that is no big deal since they aren't vaping the juice...you are and forking out your hard earned bucks for their mistakes.
I cut my 100nic into 48mg. Its more forgiving if you have a rogue drop or two get into your mix, especially if your mixing small amounts. I've got past the experimental stage with my mixing and know what I want so I make 100mls at a time of my tobaccos and 200mls of my wife's vape, I use a rotation of so she always has steeped juice jugged and ready so she doesn't run out.
I have gotten a bottle of store bought juice that had more kick then I thought it should have had for it's percentage so I can agree with that for sure. Just cut it with the same flavor but half the Nicotine to mellow it out a bit.
Since you do Tobacco what kind of percentage do you start with on the Extract? What do you use for your Tobacco flavor/extract?
Since you do Tobacco what kind of percentage do you start with on the Extract? What do you use for your Tobacco flavor/extract?
I like the grassy tasting tobaccos. Hangsen Highway, Desert Ship and No5 are my concentrates of choice at 6% blending them with tobacco absolutes, RTS TA is my fav and I mix that at 5% then blend it into the tobacs. Garuda is another great concentrate and again at 5%. INW Virginia is a bit sweet so its a 3% mix. Acetyl pyrazine is a great additive to enhance the grassiness and add a yeasty/bready tone thats 1-2%. I add NO sweetener to any of my mixes, the VG is plenty sweet for me.
Mixing my tobacs and flavors as standalones, letting them steep then blending then resteeping is how I mix. I have enough variety and onhand juice that letting a new tobac mix steep for prolonged periods of time is not a issue.
The Hangsen trio of tobacs I use also enhance the cola and grape I vape that just suck vaping as standalones.
My wife vapes Signature Circus Cotton Candy exclusively and try mixing that as a standalone(3%-5%) and not have it turn into a tasteless syrup after being steeped a couple weeks but creating a mix if 4.5% desert ship with only 3/4% cotton candy and you get nothing but great flavor, so much that her coworkers comment on how it smells like the cotton candy vendor at the fair.
As a footnote I also get 3 weeks plus off a subtank rayon build vaping my HS tobacs and what happens is I assume the rayon eventually plugs up and slowly burns the coil but I have no gunk cocoon on my coil. A good washing, slight dryburn and some scraping and the coil is ready to be rewicked again.
Mixing my tobacs and flavors as standalones, letting them steep then blending then resteeping is how I mix. I have enough variety and onhand juice that letting a new tobac mix steep for prolonged periods of time is not a issue.
The Hangsen trio of tobacs I use also enhance the cola and grape I vape that just suck vaping as standalones.
My wife vapes Signature Circus Cotton Candy exclusively and try mixing that as a standalone(3%-5%) and not have it turn into a tasteless syrup after being steeped a couple weeks but creating a mix if 4.5% desert ship with only 3/4% cotton candy and you get nothing but great flavor, so much that her coworkers comment on how it smells like the cotton candy vendor at the fair.
As a footnote I also get 3 weeks plus off a subtank rayon build vaping my HS tobacs and what happens is I assume the rayon eventually plugs up and slowly burns the coil but I have no gunk cocoon on my coil. A good washing, slight dryburn and some scraping and the coil is ready to be rewicked again.
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