Tobacco flavor question

[thewomenfolk]

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Now I feel like I'm asking a stupid question but I'm trying the various tobacco flavors and although I don't much care for the RY4, 555, or Flue-cured, I'm kind of finding the Slow cure and Tennessee cure from besteciggy pretty good.

Are these flavors made from 'real' tobacco? If so, are we getting the same poisons from them as we'd get smoking an analog? Just need some reassurance I guess.

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[Kent C]

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Now I feel like I'm asking a stupid question but I'm trying the various tobacco flavors and although I don't much care for the RY4, 555, or Flue-cured, I'm kind of finding the Slow cure and Tennessee cure from besteciggy pretty good.

Are these flavors made from 'real' tobacco? If so, are we getting the same poisons from them as we'd get smoking an analog? Just need some reassurance I guess.

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No, they're just flavor extracts - the bad stuff comes from tobacco combustion - you can't get 'tar' from vapor... or the other stuff either.

 

[Kattdaddy]

No, they're just flavor extracts - the bad stuff comes from tobacco combustion - you can't get 'tar' from vapor... or the other stuff either.

I think what she is contemplating... During the extraction process, do some of the chemicals used in the processing of tobacco.... (should the producers of the tobacco juices used in vaping utilize the traditional tobacco in the extraction process).... that are considered toxic or carcenogenic, end up in partial quantity as elements in the tobacco e-juices.
It does seem that any extraction process using the actual traditional tobacco would break down and leave quantitive properties of the toxins used in farming and production of the tobacco leaf. As far as the effects of these toxins in the manner that we are ingesting them rather than combustion, I cannot say. In no way am I saying that they formulate these juices using an actual extraction from the traditional tobacco.... I am only making an observation of one way they can formulate this.

My $0.02 worth, take it for what it is worth.

Tom

 

[Kent C]

I think what she is contemplating... During the extraction process, do some of the chemicals used in the processing of tobacco.... (should the producers of the tobacco juices used in vaping utilize the traditional tobacco in the extraction process).... that are considered toxic or carcenogenic, end up in partial quantity as elements in the tobacco e-juices.
It does seem that any extraction process using the actual traditional tobacco would break down and leave quantitive properties of the toxins used in farming and production of the tobacco leaf. As far as the effects of these toxins in the manner that we are ingesting them rather than combustion, I cannot say. In no way am I saying that they formulate these juices using an actual extraction from the traditional tobacco.... I am only making an observation of one way they can formulate this.

My $0.02 worth, take it for what it is worth.

Tom

Yeah, you're right. If she has those concerns then she should quit vaping tobacco flavors immediately and contact the makers of the juices to find out exactly how they do tobacco flavor extraction and what are the conditions the growing of the tobacco leaf that they use for that extraction. In fact it doesn't stop there. Since the nicotine part of all nic juices, with a few exceptions, also use tobacco in order to extract the nicotine then the same questions should be asked regarding that as well.

That is - IF she actually has those concerns. That fact remains is that non of the carcinogenic factors that are part of tobacco combustion are any part of the vaporizing of the juice. There may be _other_ aspects that are different, but not that part.

 

[thewomenfolk]

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Thanks for all your answers!

All of you have explained my concern better than I did. I'm just wondering if anything in real tobacco is also in these juices that could effect the lungs in the same way that smoking them would.

I understand that the smoke from combustion is of course harmful, so we're avoiding that by vaping, but what about our just ingesting tobacco poisons by vaping?

Maybe the best way to put the question is, if there are certain poisons in tobacco, does juice made from these tobaccos also have those poisons in them, and if so, could just vaping instead of smoking them also do harm to the lungs or body in general?

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[robertpri]

Yeah, you're right. If she has those concerns then she should quit vaping tobacco flavors immediately and contact the makers of the juices to find out exactly how they do tobacco flavor extraction and what are the conditions the growing of the tobacco leaf that they use for that extraction. In fact it doesn't stop there. Since the nicotine part of all nic juices, with a few exceptions, also use tobacco in order to extract the nicotine then the same questions should be asked regarding that as well.

That is - IF she actually has those concerns. That fact remains is that non of the carcinogenic factors that are part of tobacco combustion are any part of the vaporizing of the juice. There may be _other_ aspects that are different, but not that part.

But the "4,000 chemicals" are added by the cigarette maker, right? These are not chemicals natural to tobacco leaves, right?

Or not?

 

[thewomenfolk]

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Also, I've considered that maybe some of these 'tobacco' flavors might not be made from tobacco at all. In fact, some of them don't taste much like any tobacco I ever smoked, unless I've forgotten what they tasted like. Could some of the juice makers be using a mixture of all non-tobacco flavors to come up with their RY4, 555, Tennessee Cured, Slow Cured, French Pipe, etc, etc, etc?

The only regulation of e-cigs I'd welcome would be to make the ingestion of these juices to be safer than the obviously unregulated tobacco products, and hopefully as safe as the regulated foods we buy at the store.

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[thewomenfolk]

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robertpri, but are the juice makers using fresh-grown tobacco leaves or treated tobacco for their juices? Can we hope to know that?

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[robertpri]

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Also, I've considered that maybe some of these 'tobacco' flavors might not be made from tobacco at all. In fact, some of them don't taste much like any tobacco I ever smoked, unless I've forgotten what they tasted like. Could some of the juice makers be using a mixture of all non-tobacco flavors to come up with their RY4, 555, Tennessee Cured, Slow Cured, French Pipe, etc, etc, etc?

The only regulation of e-cigs I'd welcome would be to make the ingestion of these juices to be safer than the obviously unregulated tobacco products, and hopefully as safe as the regulated foods we buy at the store.

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Wow, I would certainly like to see that, but most likely, if any gov't agency gets involved, they will find a way to ban the product.

Typical scorched earth policy...take no prisoners

On a similar note, I love various fruit juices, but you have to read the labels. One popular juice label gets down to about the fifth or sixth item where it states, "contains pear juice". In other words, most of the ingredients are water, sugar, salt, and lots of chemicals.

 

[robertpri]

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robertpri, but are the juice makers using fresh-grown tobacco leaves or treated tobacco for their juices? Can we hope to know that?

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I wish I knew, but alas, have little hope of finding out. Maybe some other poster knows....

But I know this much: after less than a month, I breath better, have no cough, hopefully smell better, have no fears about driving and dropping a hot ember onto myself at 70 mph, and living alone, no longer worry about leaving a lit analog around the house some place. [and might begin to save some money before long]

 

[Thulium]

A trace amount of carcinogenic nitrosamines seems to follow the nicotine, which makes sense because they are called tobacco related nitrosamines. Snus uses a pasteurization process to reduce these about 99%, while the nicotine used in the e-liquid that has been tested seems to match the levels found in NRT's about a 99.998% reduction. When you consider that they are measured in parts per gram and consider that a gram of e-liquid can replace up to 20 cigarettes, but a gram of tobacco is just one cigarette...and when vaporized, the remaining TSNAs are diluted below detectable levels, it seems unlikely to be any significant risk. Then there's the 4000 other chemicals (some added by manufacturers, some occur naturally in tobacco, and the worst offenders are direct products of combustion like carbon monoxide and "tar"--aka small particles of ash) that you don't get at all.

It's certainly possible that using tobacco to flavor the e-juice could increase the amount of TSNAs or other impurities--that's probably where the DEG "antifreeze" came from in the SmokingEverywhere 555 cartridge the FDA tested because DEG is sometimes used as a humectant in tobacco. However, it is helpful to note that the FDA did NOT detect DEG in the actual vapor so although there is more testing needed, I'm pretty comfortable with "risk" versus the obvious hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke.

 

[robertpri]

I'm pretty comfortable with "risk" versus the obvious hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke.

Thanks, good info.

I am more than just "comfortable" with the risk, I am a dedicated convert.