Tobacco Flavors in the U.S.

[Safira]

I've been wanting to try seedmans tobacco flavor for a while but didn't want to buy the huge bottle of concentrate. I'm glad to see they are selling undiluted small bottles now.

I have a few questions on this stuff. 1st is the concentrate at all like tobacco absolute? Is it dark and thick, or is it just like FA flavors and I just need to use sparingly? (3-5%)

2nd question has to do with the honey, apple, cherry, flavors. Do they have any tobacco flavor to them. Are they like I remember my FIL pipe, with that great smell of tobacco and then the sweet hints in the background. I'm not talking about Seedmans new flavors, cheesecake, and chocolate hazelnut, just the ones they've always had, I don't want to buy an apple flavor since I already have a few bottles of that, but apple/tobacco would be nice.

thank you,

 

[Pamster]

How is the flavor on the Captain Black and the Cognac? Hubby is looking for a cigar flavor and these two sound like they would make for an interesting mix. Thank you all for the great replies and information. I hope that he's going to enjoy the flavoring of the capt. black, because that one seems like the one to go for. Is there one that is a straight tobacco flavor that I am missing? I was thinking of trying the Flavourart Cuban Supreme of the Dark Vapure, but banjo linked to this thread in my thread asking about those flavors and I read all 13 pages. Thanks in advance everyone!

 

[mary_d]

I just want to say that after much trial and error on my part I finally got the taste I wanted and now I have no urge at all for a analog . I was so wrong it wasn't the throat hit I was missing it was just the commercial flavor mixed correctly .

Thank you soooooooooo much Dan!



Mary

 

[MaxUT]

Mary, what recipe did you end up making?

 

[mary_d]

I just ended up doing a 6ml batch of 15% commercial Concentrate a tiny drop of anise extract and two drops of PA chocolate. It gave me the flavor that I have been craving and didn't even know I was craving it LOL. I tried it without the anise and chocolate but there was just something missing the flavor to me was just blah but after the chocolate and anise it hit the spot so much so that I ordered more today from seedman ....getting more flavors this time to try out. I want to try a drop of the licorice and some of the cocoa with the commercial to see if it has the same affect as the anise and chocolate did.


1 TOBS05 Virginia FC Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS08 Cocoa Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS12 Commercial Cigarette Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS14 Captain Black Type Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS15 English Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS18 Honey Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS21 Black Licorice Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
1 TOBS504 Basic Cigarette Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate

 

[RexFollett]

I just wanted to say I ordered a couple flavors from this company and I will post what I find out about them soon as I can get mixing.. Also still looking for a answer to what asorbic acid is used for in diy juice and if its used at what ratio would it be introduced to the solution?

 

[Fernand]

Scubabatdan, the percentage, like 5% as I recall, you published for the way you were mixing the honey seedman flavoring, that was before they offered the concentrate. So is it fair to say that with the concentrate it would be more like 1%? Can you tell us how you're using the seedman concentrates now?

 

[Safira]

Fernand, I just made my 1st batch with Seedman's commercial concentrate. (the new 1/2 oz concentrate bottles) I was reading how the diluted flavors didn't give as much flavor, so I went with 15% flavor. Of the 15% total flavor some of it was EM and it seems good to me, you could try starting at 10% and adjust to your liking. Maybe the honey is really strong? I have some but I just got the package yesterday so I haven't had a chance to really get down and play with it all yet.

 

[champions]

The website says "must be mixed with 1 1/2 ounces of water". Is that only if you use it as intended? For the people using this to flavor juice, are you just using it as is?

 

[Scubabatdan]

Scubabatdan, the percentage, like 5% as I recall, you published for the way you were mixing the honey seedman flavoring, that was before they offered the concentrate. So is it fair to say that with the concentrate it would be more like 1%? Can you tell us how you're using the seedman concentrates now?

I have mainly stuck to the commercial ciggy concentrate, I mix up a batch of TA + 10% EM and the combine the TA mix 50/50 with the Seedmans concentrate and mix at 6.5 - 10%, The TA mix gives it that extra ummmph of tobacco flavor IMHO. When I first started the premix was fine for me at 5%, but for most 10-15% is needed in the straight seedmans concentrate as Safira suggested. The pre-mixes are to weak for most.

The website says "must be mixed with 1 1/2 ounces of water". Is that only if you use it as intended? For the people using this to flavor juice, are you just using it as is?

Nope do not add water, use it straight out of the bottle as you would any other flavor.

Hope this helps,
Dan

 

[champions]

I have mainly stuck to the commercial ciggy concentrate, I mix up a batch of TA + 10% EM and the combine the TA mix 50/50 with the Seedmans concentrate and mix at 6.5 - 10%, The TA mix gives it that extra ummmph of tobacco flavor IMHO. When I first started the premix was fine for me at 5%, but for most 10-15% is needed in the straight seedmans concentrate as Safira suggested. The pre-mixes are to weak for most.



Nope do not add water, use it straight out of the bottle as you would any other flavor.

Hope this helps,
Dan

thanks for the great find!!!

 

[Fernand]

Champions: of course no need to add water we don't need. The question is just proportions.

Safira, thanks: what is EM? Why are people in this forum SO enamored of acronyms? Are you thinking of Ethyl Maltol? 15% of any flavoring seems far out to me, do you generally do this, or is this flavor so very weak? Dan was I think happy with 5% of the diluted Honey, that should translate to 1.25% of the concentrate, or did he have concentrate?

 

[champions]

Order in Thanks again.

 

[Fernand]

Dan, what is TA? do you mean Tobacco Absolute? Is it the full strength from Perfumer's Apprentice or their 50% diluted? Are we talkin'' the same Tobacco ABsolute? The 10% Ethyl Maltol is in relation to THAT? You mean you take that black stuff, add 10% Ethyl Maltol, add an equal volume of seedman's concentrate and use 6.5-10% of that? That would be like 3.25 - 5% Tobacco Absolute??? I can't imagine using even 0.5% of the Tobaco Absolute, it's like Geoff was saying, dip a chopstick in it and use it to stir a gallon ;-) Can you please clarify/confirm/deny/explain?

Do we have any idea what seedman PUTS in their flavorings?

 

[Scubabatdan]

Champions: of course no need to add water we don't need. The question is just proportions.

Safira, thanks: what is EM? Why are people in this forum SO enamored of acronyms? Are you thinking of Ethyl Maltol? 15% of any flavoring seems far out to me, do you generally do this, or is this flavor so very weak? Dan was I think happy with 5% of the diluted Honey, that should translate to 1.25% of the concentrate, or did he have concentrate?

Sorry, yes EM is ethyl maltol, my mixes I use 6.5% of the TA (tobacco absolute) and EM + seedmans. The seedmans by itself I mix at 10%, this is what others seem to like, a very flavorful juice. Of course this is all subject to personal taste, so I would start low as you can always let more of the genie out of the bottle but it hard to get them back in.
Hope this helps,
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Dan, what is TA? do you mean Tobacco Absolute? Is it the full strength from Perfumer's Apprentice or their 50% diluted? Are we talkin'' the same Tobacco ABsolute? The 10% Ethyl Maltol is in relation to THAT? You mean you take that black stuff, add 10% Ethyl Maltol, add an equal volume of seedman's concentrate and use 6.5-10% of that? That would be like 3.25 - 5% Tobacco Absolute??? I can't imagine using even 0.5% of the Tobaco Absolute, it's like Geoff was saying, dip a chopstick in it and use it to stir a gallon ;-) Can you please clarify/confirm/deny/explain?

Do we have any idea what seedman PUTS in their flavorings?

LOL... OK here is how I roll.....

I order 2.5ml of TA (Tobacco Absolute) (Black stuff) and 16oz of EM (Ethyl Maltol @ 10% in PG). I then heat the bottles in hot water. I then add the 2.5ml of TA to the 16oz of EM, cap and shake. The result is a TA concentrate at .005ml per 1ml of EM. I then add this 50/50 with seedmans tobacco concentrate. I then use this final solution at 6.5% - 10% in my juices.
This help?
Dan

 

[jdh5484]

This is from the "tobacco flavor" thread...I've been using this recipe for a year now and I love it. IMO it's pretty close to MBoro but smoother.

There's DIY, then there's do it yourself DIY, then there's do it yourself with a little help from done by someone else...depends what you're looking for really..

Here's a post from sjohnson in the'Tobacco flavors in the US' thread..
If or when I get my hands on the Flavourart I'll be having a go at this one.


This thread inspired me to work on a recipe. My son and I generally like the Mboro *except* for an overtone of a sour taste. Coming back home after work, the house smelled of it as well.

I bought the seedman commercial, honey, VA fire cured and licorice "flavors" and bingo! The sour we don't like is exactly the VA fire cure.

I've mixed a recipe that has tobacco tones much like the Mboro but without the sour flavor.

For 30 ml:

7 drops flavourart burley
2 drops flavourart virginia
2 drops flavourart desert ship
2 ml seedman commercial

The balance is your choice of PG/VG/PGA, but we like

10 ml 60 mg PG NIC
10 ml VG
5 ml PG
5 ml PGA

Tastes like we want the Mboro to taste!

HTH

 

[Fernand]

jdh: OK, I can come close. Now let's see, I have the desert ship and the commercial is coming, don't have the burley and virginia, so will substitute cuban, that's very close, ran out of propylene glycol, will use diethylene glycol, FDA says that's very close, ran out of nicotine solution, will use 5 ml of uncut tobacco absolute, Dan uses that, so it must be very close, to make 30ml?, I don't have a big enough bottle, will use 10 ml, that's very close. Taste smooth? ;-) Oh, wait, PGA? I still have a half of a pint of Jim Beam I was workin' on, I'm just gonna pour it all in there instaed of that 10 ml bottle, it's very close.

Yes, Dan THAT does help! Thanks!

 

[champions]

So, just so I understand 100%. These top notes are used in place of any other tobacco flavor that would be in a recipe? So if I was making an only tobacco recipe I use only the top notes - no other tobacco flavor required? In a recipe where I usually add some flavor to tobacco I substitute this for whatever tobacco flavor I would use previously? Am I right? I realize that this will change the taste.

Also, the honey, mango, etc... These are all TOBACCO flavors right?

Thanks again. I'm a little thick sometimes

 

[RexFollett]

Well I got the commercial flavor enhancer which is under the "top note" section on seedmans tobacco flavors page and its in a spray bottle and has been heavily diluted cause I cant get much taste from it at all.. I guess after reading further in the thread that Dan was using the concentrated commercial flavor not the diluted stuff.. So for all of you there is TWO different seedman commercial flavor types. The first type is a diluted flavor hardly any taste I sprayed it directly in my mouth and just got a faint sweet taste. I mixed it with some vg juice and can't even come close to a Marlboro cigarette taste. The second type of the same flavor is a concentrate. which I am assuming everyone on here is ordering and it actually is what you all want to get probably. I have to send this stuff back and get the concentrate in and then I will post my findings.