The costs of running this huge site are paid for by ads. Please consider registering and becoming a Supporting Member for an ad-free experience. Thanks, ECF team.

Tobacco Free Kids Will be Partially Responsible for the Death of Millions Says proffessor

Discussion in 'Legislation News' started by katink, May 14, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Image has been removed.
URL has been removed.
Email address has been removed.
Media has been removed.
  1. katink

    katink Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2008
    the Netherlands
    Tobacco Free Kids to Kill Millions Says Proffessor

    Brad Rodu
    Professor of Medicine
    Endowed Chair, Tobacco Harm Reduction Research
    University of Louisville


    "There is no public health justification for denying smokers information about and access to safer sources of tobacco and nicotine. But the war against tobacco, conducted by Tobacco Free Kids and their allies, is not about public health. It has become the latest in a long line of misguided American moral crusades." ................... (follow link for more)
  2. Caesarea

    Caesarea Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Mar 12, 2009

    Rodu is telling it like it is. Wish I lived near Louisville.

  3. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    I don't know if I'm stereotyping US folk when I say there seem to be a lot of extremists there pushing to have their way declared the correct way. To me it appears to be a cultural trait, fundamentalist/extremist thinking is seen as normal. (Sorry to US folk if I'm being unfair.)

    Hopefully the voice of reason, fairness and justice will prevail.
  4. Wildsky

    Wildsky Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 9, 2009
    I think you are correct Kate :oops:

    I've lived here for something like 13 or 14 years now and thats the way it is! (doesn't bother me cause I know I'm right) 8-o
  5. badkat

    badkat Full Member

    Mar 21, 2009
    CA, USA
    These people are not your enemy. The more noise the better. It's the noise that garners attention in order for "reason, fairness and justice" to get a chance to prevail. In every decision-making process lots of voices are binned because they're unreasonable .. but the sum of all the voices is what brought the issue to the attention of the decision makers.
  6. Bellinghamster

    Bellinghamster Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2008
    Bellingham, WA USA
    It's not that the majority of Americans are extremists/fundamentalists. It's simply those are the people with the loudest voices, coupled with the fact that our government has become so polarized the only way for a politician to keep his job is to pander them.

    If the media is to believed, everyone here is pressured to pick a side on every issue, and to hate everyone with an opposing view. Sadly, some buy into it...

    It's very difficult to be an activist moderate :)
  7. Boston George

    Boston George Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2009
    Rochester, NY
    Or if your not with us, you are a terrorist.

    Edit: just making sure It came across that I was being sarcastic.
  8. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008

    Yes, I bet most people are moderate and balanced and, like anywhere, the loudest get heard the most.

    It's the presentation of sides by the media that maybe strikes me or the lack of balance by activists.

    In the UK our anti smokers - ASH have not condemned vaping. They've said they can only recommend approved cessation products but that vaping might one day be a good alternative. That seems more realistic than a flat out call for bans to me.

    Political lobbying here is different too, I'm not sure that money and pressure have the same influence on legislation.

    To add -

    I've heard that view and it scares me because it implies everything is simplistic and clear cut. It encourages people to make emotional choices rather than use cognitive reasoning and measurements of seriousness.
  9. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    Note that our moderate ally, Dr. Nitzkin, praises the PROMISE of e-smoking. Read his language carefully. He's really good! Now, that's the route to take and it's good we have one sane, scientific voice on our side.

    Do not kill this baby before it has a chance to mature!

    Screaming and name-calling might make the evening news, but won't win converts to our cause.
  10. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    I noticed that there was one expert that was using careful, accurate language TBob, I think it must have been Dr Nitzkin. He presented the possibilities but didn't imply anything was known for sure.

    That's the kind of person I like us to be associated with, one who doesn't forget about integrity for the sake of winning a fight.
  11. Fox3

    Fox3 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2009
    Seattle, WA
    Yep, these well meaning zealots are responsible for FAR more suffering and death than they care about or realize.

    Hope the brady people sleep well at night having been responsible for depriving people of the basic human right of self defense.

    Two quotes from my file which seem appropriate:

    "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient . . . the greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Justice Louis Brandeis

    “When seconds count, your police are just minutes away”!!! -- unknown.

    Not exactly on topic, I realize, but the same mentality is reflected :-(.

    If we only had any pols left with integrity rather than selling their own and our souls for a ticket to the earmark train, sigh, cry...
  12. James

    James Forum Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    Wales, UK.
    Unfortunately Rodu doesn't think we will prevail:

    Not being American I can't really comment on that. Having an ex-Tobacco Free Kids man in the White House can't help things, though...
  13. James

    James Forum Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    Wales, UK.
    Sorry Fox3, your reply appeared while I was still typing mine making it seem rather unconnected :(
  14. SupplierX

    SupplierX Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 5, 2008
    Ohio USA
    Yea, Kate.......we have better food.:p
  15. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    Ha ... and teeth apparently ;)
  16. joannadiva

    joannadiva Full Member

    May 5, 2009

    Not to be disrespectful but this country was founded by people who were too uptight to be British...

    Home of the free...only if you do it their way
  17. J W in Texas

    J W in Texas Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 5, 2009
    Arlington, TX
    Good one joannadiva! I had never heard that one before but it's funny :)
  18. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    I exchanged e-mails with Dr. Rodu last year for a magazine article and he's America's top harm reduction advocate -- who has been given a rough time by anti-smoking forces. He's a good man, advocating for smokefree alternatives to cigarettes. Sadly, I think his prediction of the outcome is on-target.
  19. Bryn

    Bryn Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2009
    Arkansas, USA
    My Scottish ancestors were kicked out of Scotland to make room for sheep, thrown on ship bounded for wild and savage America. (Clearance of Highlanders).

    So here I am... a screwed up American. :?:
  20. James

    James Forum Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    Wales, UK.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice