Tobacco free nicotine.

[Coyote628]

I noticed something new at river supply. tobacco free nicotine. This does have a hefty price tag though. But I think it should have been done long ago, at least to stabilize the costs and bring them to affordable. It could have been a valuable "bullet" used against the anti tobacco folks early on. And allowed us to step away from the pro tobacco folks too. Tobacco free nic is a good idea that showed up too late. If the price does come down, I'd consider using it but at 200+ bucks a liter, it's not happening.

 

[smacuser]

The price should come down after we get a few early adopters. Beats $3000 a liter, though.

Isn't 5 Pawns using that stuff?

 

[Dudeman]

Honestly, "Tobacco free nicotine" means nothing in the grand scheme.
0mg juice is considered a tobacco product. Hardware is also considered a tobacco product.
When nic gets taxed, it won't matter what it's called or what it's derived from. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

 

[zoiDman]

I noticed something new at river supply. Tobacco free nicotine. This does have a hefty price tag though. But I think it should have been done long ago, at least to stabilize the costs and bring them to affordable. It could have been a valuable "bullet" used against the anti tobacco folks early on. And allowed us to step away from the pro tobacco folks too. Tobacco free nic is a good idea that showed up too late. If the price does come down, I'd consider using it but at 200+ bucks a liter, it's not happening.

Tobacco Free Nicotine (TFN) has actually been around for a Long Time.

But because of it's Price, and because a FDA Deadline was always "In the Future", it never really got much Attention. Except for some Debate as to whether or Not it was a "Covered Tobacco Product" under the FSPTCA.

I'm Not sure how much Lower the Price might come down?

Because if a Court(s) ruled that TFN was a "Covered Tobacco Product", then it would fall under the FDA's Deeming Rule Set. And there would be Little Demand for it.

And if the Court(s) ruled that TFN wasn't a "Covered Tobacco Product", then the FDA would make the Strong Argument that it was a Drug. And we Wouldn't be able to counter-argue that we were using it as the "Recreational Use of Tobacco".

 

[zoiDman]

Tobacco Free Nicotine (TFN) has actually been around for a Long Time.

But because of it's Price, and because a FDA Deadline was always "In the Future", it never really got much Attention. Except for some Debate as to whether or Not it was a "Covered Tobacco Product" under the FSPTCA.

I'm Not sure how much Lower the Price might come down?

Because if a Court(s) ruled that TFN was a "Covered Tobacco Product", then it would fall under the FDA's Deeming Rule Set. And there would be Little Demand for it.

And if the Court(s) ruled that TFN wasn't a "Covered Tobacco Product", then the FDA would make the Strong Argument that it was a Drug. And we Wouldn't be able to counter-argue that we were using it as the "Recreational Use of Tobacco".

ETA: I have tried Synthetic Nicotine.

And it was almost Tasteless and Odorless at Vapable mg/ml's. But Not Night n' Day to any of the High End Nicotine Bases I had at the time. More on a Par.

And the Average DIY User would Probably Not see a huge Difference in a Finished Flavored e-Liquid.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Honestly, "Tobacco free nicotine" means nothing in the grand scheme.
0mg juice is considered a tobacco product. Hardware is also considered a tobacco product.
When nic gets taxed, it won't matter what it's called or what it's derived from. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

That ^^^^^^^.

Because if a Court(s) ruled that TFN was a "Covered Tobacco Product", then it would fall under the FDA's Deeming Rule Set. And there would be Little Demand for it.

And if the Court(s) ruled that TFN wasn't a "Covered Tobacco Product", then the FDA would make the Strong Argument that it was a Drug. And we Wouldn't be able to counter-argue that we were using it as the "Recreational Use of Tobacco".

And that ^^^^^^^.

The little green folks behind the FDA curtain control the levers.

Meantime, I still haven't found any inside.

 

[zoiDman]

Here is some Interesting TFN Related News...

Out of the Bag - Tobacco Reporter

Non-Tobacco Nicotine Pouch Debuts in U.S. - Tobacco Reporter

 

[UncleJunkle]

Honestly, "Tobacco free nicotine" means nothing in the grand scheme.
0mg juice is considered a tobacco product. Hardware is also considered a tobacco product.
When nic gets taxed, it won't matter what it's called or what it's derived from. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

That's right. If...

• nicotine free (therefore tobacco-free) 0mg juice or
  
• nicotine free, tobacco-free glass/metal/plastic parts or
  
• nicotine free, tobacco-free power supply units (aka a mods)

...are all considered "tobacco products" (and they are) in the eyes of the overlords, there's no way nicotine Tobacco-free nicotine would slide through and not be regulated as a "tobacco product". They even market it as "nicotine" therefore the FDA will say, "OK, nicotine. Nicotine for smokers = 'tobacco product', case closed, nice try".