Today 9/11/13 - On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[Ben C.]

Discussing e-cigs. Not sure how syndicated this is, but it's on NPR's WBUR in Boston. This segment of the show should start at 11AM EST and run until noon. It is available for streaming as well. I will be in meetings, but hopefully some folks can call in or comment on the website!

The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

-Ben

 

[Ben C.]

Broadcast / discussion has begun...

live stream: http://www.wbur.org/listen/live

 

[Iron Molly]

*Throws rotten vegetables at Stan Glantz* E-cigarettes don't help people quit? Really?!!

 

[Ben C.]

I know, right? I can't wait for folks to start calling "them" on this BS!

 

[cthulhufan]

This flavors = marketing towards kids line is really wearing paper thin... I'm at a loss to comment on that line about all the toxins in vapor (cadmium???)...

 

[Hidden Dragon]

Listening now. I'm glad someone is actually correcting Glantz.

 

[Ben C.]

This flavors = marketing towards kids line is really wearing paper thin... I'm at a loss to comment on that line about all the toxins in vapor (cadmium???)...

I know!!! Cadmium? Lead!?

 

[Spazmelda]

All I caught was the last caller and the final word by Glantz. Urg.

 

[Iron Molly]

This flavors = marketing towards kids line is really wearing paper thin... I'm at a loss to comment on that line about all the toxins in vapor (cadmium???)...

I know right? What about alcohol? Are THOSE flavors made to attract kids too? It's just ridiculous.

And again with the "we don't know" what's in e-cigarettes. What we DO know is it's much MUCH less harmful than analogs.

 

[Spazmelda]

Okay, what's this he says about cutting down cigarette consumption have no effect on disease? Is there evidence that shows that to be the case? Logically that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

 

[Hidden Dragon]

Exactly what studies were Stan Glantz quoting? I want to see where he is drawing his information from.

 

[Spazmelda]

I believe that one of the studies he was quoting there at the end was the quit line study. Use of Electronic Cigarettes Among State To... [Nicotine Tob Res. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

Iirc, the authors issued a statement clarifying that their paper did not address efficacy of ecigs in quitting, and that it wasn't designed to do so. That hasn't stopped Glantz from claiming that it shows ecigs hinder quitting. The paper does not show that at all. Using people who call a quit line to determine efficacy of previous quit methods is like polling Jenny Craig customers about how well Weight Watchers worked for them. Would they be at Jenny Craig if Weight Watchers had worked for them?

 

[Hidden Dragon]

I believe that one of the studies he was quoting there at the end was the quit line study. Use of Electronic Cigarettes Among State To... [Nicotine Tob Res. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

Iirc, the authors issued a statement clarifying that their paper did not address efficacy of ecigs in quitting, and that it wasn't designed to do so. That hasn't stopped Glantz from claiming that it shows ecigs hinder quitting. The paper does not show that at all. Using people who call a quit line to determine efficacy of previous quit methods is like polling Jenny Craig customers about how well Weight Watchers worked for them. Would they be at Jenny Craig if Weight Watchers had worked for them?

Thanks for the link and the information.

 

[jtpjc]

What we DO know is it's much MUCH less harmful than analogs.

That's what Stan said, less harmful. He also said that "less harmful" doesn't mean "safer". I feel bleached by his intellect.

 

[ennagizer]

I listened to the broadcast and took some notes:

Glantz is spewing all the one sided ANTZ nonsense we've come to expect.

First caller states that her daughter cut down on smoking, but is still smoking, so they focus on the dual use - not that she cut down so much which is a big win in my book.

Second caller fully quit smoking for months, stated analogs are disgusting to him now, ecigs are phenomenal, cut down spending also.

Third caller, former smoker, ecigs made it easier to quit, great invention.

Now Siegel is talking. He is debunking the ANTZ nonsense spewed by Glantz. Go Siegel!!!

Fourth caller talks about her husband, 2 pack a day smoker, cig-a-likes didn't work well, more advanced ecigs helped cut down 60-70%, but ecigs just not the same and ultimately did not help.

Glantz acknowledged Siegel's comments, but right back to the one sided ANTZ nonsense. Big issue is dual use. Says if a smoker uses 2-3 analogs a day they have the same health risk. Acknowledges ecigs are less toxic and ends by saying kids brains are affected by nicotine.

 

[Ben C.]

Also, for anyone that missed the broadcast, it will be available here to stream:

Radio Broadcast | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

It should show up soon, and by tomorrow, there will a streaming 'Play' button at the top of the "article".

 

[ennagizer]

On the subject of dual use, which Glantz brought up several times, how come this FDA release concerning FDA approved NRT products is not used to debunk the dual use argument?

Nicotine Replacement Therapy Labels May Change

The changes that FDA is allowing to these labels reflect the fact that although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence.

The changes being recommended by FDA include a removal of the warning that consumers should not use an NRT product if they are still smoking, chewing tobacco, using snuff or any other product that contains nicotine—including another NRT.

FDA is allowing the companies who make these OTC products to make several changes to the warnings and limitations in the directions for use on their labels to allow some flexibility on how they are used and for how long. These changes mean the following for consumers:

There are no significant safety concerns associated with using more than one OTC NRT at the same time, or using an OTC NRT at the same time as another nicotine-containing product—including a cigarette. If you are using an OTC NRT while trying to quit smoking but slip up and have a cigarette, you should not stop

To me this is saying it's OK to use multiple NRT products at the same time and OK to use NRT products while smoking. Isn't this also dual use? But, dual use with ecigs is brought up as a bad thing very often.

 

[ClippinWings]

OH god... the comments here need an influx of Pro-eCig... BAD

The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

It's like a Liberal-Nanny ANTZ convention in there.

 

[cthulhufan]

There are some folks on there getting in some good digs against the ANTZ now.

 

[ClippinWings]

OK... I just posted about 20 times... so I'm going to quit and actually do some work today...

Have fun guys/gals