Todd - AmeraVape - Manhattan. Whaaa?

[Cullin Kin]

I just caught wing of this whole Manhattan debacle (I know, I'm about a month late) and have done some searching on the googlez but to no avail. I'm find responses, discussions, and retests of the Manhattan venting, but none of the original content.

What exactly happened? Can I get a synopsis?

 

[WattWick]

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[skoony]

i remember this. total hatchet job. my opinion is if you are going to call some ones product a pipe bomb, you had better back it up with irrefutable proof. Ameravape was perfectly justified in their actions. Todd and all the near do wells that jumped on this band wagon have lost my respect. calling yourself a reviewer does not give one the right to play god and hide behind freedom of speech. you cant yell fire in a crowded theater. either some one was on a power trip or, was deliberately trying to damage the reputation of ameravape. in this day and age one would think the term pipe bomb would not be bandied about like you were talking about a water ballon.

regards
mike

 

[Rule62]

i remember this. total hatchet job. my opinion is if you are going to call some ones product a pipe bomb, you had better back it up with irrefutable proof. Ameravape was perfectly justified in their actions. Todd and all the near do wells that jumped on this band wagon have lost my respect. calling yourself a reviewer does not give one the right to play god and hide behind freedom of speech. you cant yell fire in a crowded theater. either some one was on a power trip or, was deliberately trying to damage the reputation of ameravape. in this day and age one would think the term pipe bomb would not be bandied about like you were talking about a water ballon.

regards
mike

I respectfully disagree. Todd is an experienced and well respected reviewer. This isn't his first rodeo. Todd did mention in his initial review that his opinion was based on the unit he had in hand. As far as Amreivape or anyone else, when you send out a product for review, you take your chances. If you're expecting only good reviews, you're in a dream world. This isn't the first product that's received a negative review. It happens. For me, it's the way the company responds to the review that's as important as the review itself. IMO, the immediate response of threatening a lawsuit isn't the way to handle things.

 

[Mark Todd]

You know I could explain but it's clarified in the above video and I have other companies to take down so bash on.



Regards

Todd and his merry bandwagon, on the road to world domination.

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[skoony]

I respectfully disagree. Todd is an experienced and well respected reviewer. This isn't his first rodeo. Todd did mention in his initial review that his opinion was based on the unit he had in hand. As far as Amreivape or anyone else, when you send out a product for review, you take your chances. If you're expecting only good reviews, you're in a dream world. This isn't the first product that's received a negative review. It happens. For me, it's the way the company responds to the review that's as important as the review itself. IMO, the immediate response of threatening a lawsuit isn't the way to handle things.

this why they are right in calling this the wild,wild west. doesn't any one read the papers? i know a lot of people watched Todds minute by minute updated publicity stunt,all from his point of view. unfortunately a legitimate vendor who knows something about business and law operates under constraints strictly from a legal point of view. evidently respected reviewers don't seem to think they have to look before they leap. one can shout freedom of speech all they want,it doesn't mean they are free from the results of that speech. a negative review is one thing. a journalistic hatchet job,is still a hatchet job.

regards
mike

 

[supertrunker]

I thought his review was fair and balanced, and the supplier had numerous other options available, but the typical American response to anything perceived as derogatory is a lawsuit.

There is no hiding behind free speech - it was not a review designed to antagonise, but a legitimate concern about safety; and one that was addressed by a further review on the site, also not by the manufacturer!

Whatever the pros and cons of the mod, on the face of it, their legal team looks too keen and their customer service tardy or non-existent.

T

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Let's not forget that he DID ask the manufacturer about the venting, and they basically said "we know what we are doing, so F off." At that point, all you have to go on is your own intuition and experience. Company handled it like a bunch of clown shoes, made a stink threatening legal action, etc, etc. you can keep your "competition mod." Might pick one up when the clone is readily available just because I think they deserve it.

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

You know I could explain but it's clarified in the above video and I have other companies to take down so bash on.



Regards

Todd and his merry bandwagon, on the road to world domination.

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Need any help with that World Domination thing?

 

[Rule62]

In the first place, for someone to produce a mod supposedly designed for 'competition' use, one would assume that the intention is for it to be able to withstand the hazards, and possible failure, of batteries being pushed to their absolute limits. I doubt that the customer target base for this mod are the Protank or iClear30 users. The target is the sub sub ohm RDA user. With that in mind, I would expect, if I were a 'competition vaper', which I'm not, for the venting ability to be without question. I'd want vent holes big enough to vent at zero pressure; not 5psi, 20psi, or 30psi. I don't know what the theoretical pressure of a battery in thermal run away would be. I'm not an engineer. But I appreciate the fact that a reviewer raised the question as to whether or not this mod's venting ability was adequate. To be met with the response: "I'm an engineer. Don't worry about it." Is irresponsible.

 

[ibndevilish]

i remember this. total hatchet job. my opinion is if you are going to call some ones product a pipe bomb, you had better back it up with irrefutable proof. Ameravape was perfectly justified in their actions. Todd and all the near do wells that jumped on this band wagon have lost my respect. calling yourself a reviewer does not give one the right to play god and hide behind freedom of speech. you cant yell fire in a crowded theater. either some one was on a power trip or, was deliberately trying to damage the reputation of ameravape. in this day and age one would think the term pipe bomb would not be bandied about like you were talking about a water ballon.

regards
mike

Mark Todd was not playing god he has everyone's best interest at heart. Also Mark is not out to take company's down is a honest and sincere reviewer that get's paid nothing to do what he likes to do. Amerivape has lots against them, They are griping about a clone coming out of the Manhattan and are slamming clones but they also used clones in the Youtube videos. Is that not calling the kettle black here. They are stating it's fine to use clones just don't use a clone of my device. Rumors are going around about the clone is actually a Manhattan as Amerivape didn't pay the money owed to the manufacturer so they are using the product and selling them off. They also state that the Manhattan is American made but yet rumor has it that it's made in China so if the rumor is correct about this then they are not telling the truth about being made in America as China is not America. If you ask a legit question about safety on the FB page they will delete your questions. They will only keep postings up that are good anything bad they will delete in a heartbeat. I asked them very nicely a couple of questions on the product and they have blocked me from writing anything. Why is that? I just asked how safe was it and would it get very hot? So they should block me for this? No normal honest company would do this. Just my 2 cents. I will also back Mark Todd as he pulls no punches!!

 

[ibndevilish]

I forgot to mention that I'm a reviewer of a reviewer and I do this free of charge and I didn't get paid by Mark or anyone else for any of my services either I do this on my own free will and I'm not into taking any one reviewer down. I'm stating my own responses. lol

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

He states on ALL his reviews that it is his Opinion he is presenting. His opinion. He has a little experience with mods and other devices. He might massacre the names of the devices but he does present a clear view of what a device is, how it works and what He does or doesn't like about it. You don't agree? Write him or don't watch the video, your choice. From what I have seen over time, Mark Todd always does his best to communicate with a modder or manufacturer when he confronts what is an issue in his Opinion. It is unfortunate when a builder does not approach what can be a great opportunity to possibly improve their product or to inform the public about their device through reviewer's like Todd. This was certainly the case here.

 

[JMarca]

this why they are right in calling this the wild,wild west. doesn't any one read the papers? i know a lot of people watched Todds minute by minute updated publicity stunt,all from his point of view. unfortunately a legitimate vendor who knows something about business and law operates under constraints strictly from a legal point of view. evidently respected reviewers don't seem to think they have to look before they leap. one can shout freedom of speech all they want,it doesn't mean they are free from the results of that speech. a negative review is one thing. a journalistic hatchet job,is still a hatchet job.

regards
mike

Dude stop being so narrow minded, I watched the video. I watch it twice actually, nowhere in the video or the vblog follow up under any circumstances did anything he say or do warrant a lawsuit.

Sad thing is I agree with Todd, the switch doesn't have proper venting, in fact even if it did vent a little out the bottom (like it was designed to) it's still not enough. For a "competition" mod you'd expect that thing to have a hole wider than Roseanne Barr's mouth, just for safety's sake. Now you're sitting here trying to justify a lawsuit because a reviewer simply mentioned it could become a pipe bomb? It's the truth!

 

[Asbestos4004]

i remember this. total hatchet job. my opinion is if you are going to call some ones product a pipe bomb, you had better back it up with irrefutable proof. Ameravape was perfectly justified in their actions. Todd and all the near do wells that jumped on this band wagon have lost my respect. calling yourself a reviewer does not give one the right to play god and hide behind freedom of speech. you cant yell fire in a crowded theater. either some one was on a power trip or, was deliberately trying to damage the reputation of ameravape. in this day and age one would think the term pipe bomb would not be bandied about like you were talking about a water ballon.

regards
mike

Well I'm sure Todd and all his "near do wells" will call a meeting and see what they can do to regain your respect! OR...you could just watch any of his videos and see for yourself that he doesn't have an agenda to take down certain businesses. How is stating his actual experience, backed up by his video proof, playing God, being on a power trip or trying to tear down Amerivape? What a silly accusation. You'd think if he was so easily manipulated, he'd have NEVER pointed out any problems with a certain GG product...as a self proclaimed fanboy of GG. He's just a vaper who does reviews, dude. He may recieve alot of gear for free, but I'm sure it equals out when you consider the amount of time it must take to do everything he does to produce these videos....not to mention the charity auctions that recieve the money alot of that free gear sells for. The guys a vaper who does reviews....good ones. Get over yourself.

 

[supertrunker]

i have a competition mod.

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T

 

[crxess]

Sorry, looked at several Videos and just cannot see where promoting safety concerns is wrong.

Respectable manufacturer would have supplied test data to back safety claims, not yelled Law Suite. The manufacturer that does not openly address concerns has no respect for the consumer.

I personally would have no issue using the mod.
I would be terrified to see some no skill, uninformed, Ohms what? ..... get a hold of one of these and toss in a nice Li-ion and .5ohm coil on a junk dripper.

And we all know they do!

 

[k702]

this why they are right in calling this the wild,wild west. doesn't any one read the papers? i know a lot of people watched Todds minute by minute updated publicity stunt,all from his point of view. unfortunately a legitimate vendor who knows something about business and law operates under constraints strictly from a legal point of view. evidently respected reviewers don't seem to think they have to look before they leap. one can shout freedom of speech all they want,it doesn't mean they are free from the results of that speech. a negative review is one thing. a journalistic hatchet job,is still a hatchet job.

regards
mike

Point is it's a horrible Idea for a vendor of any kind to try and sue someone that they asked to review one of their products. It's like me sending you a book for review then suing when I read that you thought I had too many run on sentences. IF they were professional whatsoever it could have gone super smooth, they call/message back, explain the venting and say thank you for taking your time to do a review.

 

[TheRac25]

there's quite a large difference between stating an opinion and threatening to get government involved

one is just an opinion, the other is borderline death threat designed to cause fear and intimidate

 

[Nikkita6]

[Moderated]

So we have another Oni Mod type situation on our hands I see I am inclined to believe, as some others have already testified, that Ameravape DID NOT pull their MOD from the market, but rather they could not afford to pay the Chinese manufacturer who has been contracted to produce the mod, and now that manufacturer of the "original" is now selling them off. Which of course means that those being sold are not in fact clones, they are the authentic item. #NOTATALLSURPRISED