I do agree, Rosco. Let's give them any knowledge and experience they are willing to learn from, and not deny them either. If they won't learn our way, they can learn some other way.
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Then, by all means, let *us get to informing them, and as early as possible.
*us - I include my self among the knowledgeable as a courtesy.
Again...help other when you can...which in your example would include taking the dynamite away. But the only way to keep everyone safe would be to ban things like mechs. Then someone would just build it themselves. We cannot save everybody. We can warn and help when we can...but that's it.
OP...I appreciate the non flaming backhanded, Apathy, ignorance, comment. call it what you like. I just learned long ago you can't save them all, but you can hurt lots of people trying.
Roll the clock back to the 2012 Utah legislative session when HB 245 was debated in the Utah senate. One week priror the gentleman in Florada blew his face off. 45 minutes of the one hour debate was spent talking about the dangers of e-cigs blowing up. The end result is that it is illegal to use an e-cig in Utah anywhere that it is illegal to smoke. So it not only can effect us all ..... it already has!
You might also like visiting www.puresmoker.com to see what the effect of that one incident was on a well respected manufacturer/vendor.
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Please don't misunderstand me. I agree that we can't save everyone, and I agree that we can't keep everyone from using their devices improperly.
I do think that if there is a way to get the proper message to those who will listen that it should be consistent and correct. I would like to see a way to distinguish a good answer from a bad answer without endless argument. For those that will heed advice, it would be nice for them to know what advice they should listen to. If they choose not to listen, then yes, they are adults and have every right to make their own decisions. But currently, a new person to vaping has no way to actually know what is good and what is bad without reading for hours and hours in some cases. That is the situation that I believe this thread is trying to address.
Sorry if this was already mentioned. What about a sub-ohm forum with a "read this first" sticky? The forum title would reel in any newbie cloud chasers and they might learn something about the do's and dont's in the process. There's already ad-nauseam about all the info. Just not in one spot.
That might have been mentioned in passing...
First post in this thread was it? or the second? I just can't remember, and I'm too lazy to look it up. /s
Edit: sub-forums almost always have stickies containing valuable information. This should be taken as a given, but it isn't. It would be nice if some of the new members even bothered to read any stickies and/or ECF rules.
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You could answer AND provide the link. We know some are going to do what they want, but we can at least say we gave an appropriate warning.
Warn, warn, warn! Warn people before responding. Suggest other , safer options, and warn people of what can happen if they don't know what they're doing. People probably don't know what bad things can happen to them.
I build coils for people at my local shop and not too long ago a guy came in wanting huge clouds and super low ohms. He had no idea what he was getting into and was completely ignorant to the fact that it can be dangerous. He even said he didn't care and that he knew all he needed to know about it. Long story short, I refused to build him a coil and told him I wasn't going to have him on the news for blowing himself up. I give everyone I build for the same short lecture if they are new to sub ohm vaping, and generally folks are receptive and even want to talk at length about it. The ones that are arrogant or don't care I won't build for.
I've been vaping over a year and still use eGo batteries(I have 1 Twist) and a clearomizer. This isn't about pats on the head for the new kid. We really don't want anyone injured.
It's nice to know that in my 50th decade on the planet I'm still capable of being an immature, elitist ....... Thanks for the compliment, I think.
You're 500 years old? What are you, an elf?
/me looks at her avatar and thinks to herself well yes I am an elf
Yes, for the manufacturers and vendors.
I was not a babe in the woods when I got a mod w/a menu system a year into vaping. No instructions. Had to search the internet for a copy of the menu system. Ditto, the multimeter I purchased.
Thankfully people here enjoy the community aspect and sharing........a unique group, cuz there's not any industries i can think of that have legions of unpaid instructors/product reps.
One can't help but WORRY though a little about all the thousands of vapers who don't go to internet forums. Vaping is better than smoking of course, but we can't have it turn into 1) if a young person starts smoking they might get cancer and 2) if a young person starts vaping they might blow half their face off.
That's not really a not the either/or situation we want to see.
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Guess I joined at the right time.
Nah I'm still a noob. Invested few hundred dollars in gear and half my desk is vape stuff. But that doesn't mean anything. Just consider yourself lucky here. I'm a member of xda-developers. Have been since '09. Phone hackers and mobile coders. Every summer when school is let out we get a huge influx of new members. Kids want to be cool and mod their phones, they don't read enough and end up with $500 paper weights. You can try to cram all the info down their neck till YOU get sick, but there is always going to be a group that won't listen. It's just inevitable.
I've been vaping for about 6 months now. All the people I work with ask me for help, I'm their go to guy. I teach, but I'm a noob, myself. But I do know when to read. All you can do is point people to threads here to read. Even though this place is hard to navigate and half the forum is old subs and unusable, and search is useless, it has lots of info. Just help em out by pointing them out when you see idiocy going on. Otherwise, just pass by and don't look.
Nah I'm still a noob. Invested few hundred dollars in gear and half my desk is vape stuff. But that doesn't mean anything. Just consider yourself lucky here. I'm a member of xda-developers. Have been since '09. Phone hackers and mobile coders. Every summer when school is let out we get a huge influx of new members. Kids want to be cool and mod their phones, they don't read enough and end up with $500 paper weights. You can try to cram all the info down their neck till YOU get sick, but there is always going to be a group that won't listen. It's just inevitable.
I've been vaping for about 6 months now. All the people I work with ask me for help, I'm their go to guy. I teach, but I'm a noob, myself. But I do know when to read. All you can do is point people to threads here to read. Even though this place is hard to navigate and half the forum is old subs and unusable, and search is useless, it has lots of info. Just help em out by pointing them out when you see idiocy going on. Otherwise, just pass by and don't look.
/me looks at her avatar and thinks to herself well yes I am an elf
Night elf. Yes, it matters.
(And yes, I play. For the Alliance!)
Yes, for the manufacturers and vendors.
I was not a babe in the woods when I got a mod w/a menu system a year into vaping. No instructions. Had to search the internet for a copy of the menu system. Ditto, the multimeter I purchased.
Thankfully people here enjoy the community aspect and sharing........a unique group, cuz there's not any industries i can think of that have legions of unpaid instructors/product reps.
One can't help but WORRY though a little about all the thousands of vapers who don't go to internet forums. Vaping is better than smoking of course, but we can't have it turn into 1) if a young person starts smoking they might get cancer and 2) if a young person starts vaping they might blow half their face off.
That's not really a not the either/or situation we want to see.
Agreed!
I'm just taking a somewhat devil's advocate stance now, it's all good.
THIS is the right place to be coming from.
Libertarian?
Never heard of your "brand" of it... By the way, I feel sorry for your dog.
(Thankfully it wasn't your child. "Being in the children's burn unit was awful, but I taught him something.....")
IMHO, there is compassionate teaching, which involves wisdom ....... and cruel teaching, which doesn't.
There is no need for the latter when the former is readily available, both here on this forum, and thankfully, in the world at large.
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From your first post I thought you meant that we should only answer questions with a link to the sticky. Still sounds that way to me, but hey, I've been wrong before
.I currently typically respond with my answers/comments and include links to data when I think it will help.
Yup, I gave up on it a long time ago. I find though that Google does an admirable job of cataloging ECF and I can search it quite well that way.
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