Being safety-conscious is one thing, but let's not let it get out of hand, eh? You can continually (that's what the "C" in "continuous discharge rate" means, after all) discharge a battery at CDR, for hundreds of cycles, while still maintaining good lifetime performance and, yes, safety. That's the definition of CDR.
Touching back on single cell mech builds..
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Being safety conscious is THE thing when using a mech. It's what stands between you and a hospital visit. I Can't see the point in pushing a battery hard enough that you have to justify it by using pulse ratings. After all you can get about 80W and stay with in the CDR with a decent battery. By the time you get to that level on a single mech the battery life is appalling anyway. You get so much battery voltage sag it largely cancels out any advantage in building that low in the first place. Much easier and safer to use a dual battery mod.
*Sigh* Nowhere did I ever mention pulse ratings. How many times can one say "continually"? I can't tell if you guys are just missing my point, or deliberately ignoring it.
It's like when a ladder has the sticker on that says not to stand on the top rung, and you all are here going "well *I* would never climb more than halfway up! Safety!" And then you're yelling at the guy who says "well no wait, look, it says here not to stand on the very top, but you can go up to just below that point, just fine..." and you're acting like he's some sort of daredevil, because he follows the safety instructions that are written on it instead of making up his own, stricter standards.
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Except when you have malicious companies like eFest who grossly exaggerate capabilities, that's why we have Mooch
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Except when you have malicious companies like eFest who grossly exaggerate capabilities, that's why we have Mooch
Right, well obviously I'm talking about Mooch's sticker that he stuck on over top of the one the ladder came with. So maybe it says don't stand on the top two steps or three steps or whatever (if you follow my analogy) but, still, there's no reason to then take his rating and cut it in half again.
I use single cell mechanicals a lot, probably more than most.
AND, 30ga is far more efficient than even 28ga. Ramp up is what kills a mechanical's ability to create a great vape.
Forget about massive cloud busting with a single cell mechanical !!! If that's what you like, get a big azz 3 cell regulated mod that was designed for that.
After reading some of your posts, kid, you're on a one way trip to the emergency ward!
That's more coils than I've had to make in 6 years
This is what goes on my mechanicals.
Wick & coil lasts +/- 3 months
A charge lasts a lot longer at 2.2 amps than it does at 20 amps!
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I'm sorry but if I am constantly asking questions and staying at safe resistance on my builds how am I on a way to the emergency room? That seems a little blunt.
Perhaps silica is not as good in mega coil - massive cloud busting builds, (never been there - done that) but for single coil MTL builds cotton has absolutely no advantage over silica ... but a lot more disadvantages.
In fact your statements agree with most of the things I have stated. I didn't know asking questions could be so detrimental to my health!
I meant it to be blunt. Constantly asking questions is good, but you & I have a different opinion on what is a safe resistance/amperage.
My rule of thumb, (I'll use a 20a battery as an example) is to never exceed 50% of CDR. That would be 0.4 ohms. (10 amps) I use a 1.8 ohm build (2.2 amps)
The reason for that is because as you use a battery, over time, the mAh of the battery will become less. As the mAh of the battery declines .. so does the CDR. So 6 months down the road, if you were to continually use that battery at 20 amps, it would probably only be a 10 amp battery ..... and you could find yourself in a world of hurts!
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All well & good .... provided you use nothing but brand new batteries.
Have Mooch test & rate that battery 6 months down the road.
I used to feel similar, until someone clarified what CDR actually means.
As I understand it, using the cells at or below CDR ensures that this drop in performance should not become significant before a few hundred charge cycles have elapsed.
This may be worth some more discussion. I was building 1.4 ohm single coils with 28 guage stainless and found by trial and error I preferred 30 max watts. Steam engine says I need 30 watts to get to 200 heat flux. It also says if I use 30 gauge wire and the same 1.4 ohm resistance I get to 200 heat flux with just 15 watts. I tried that and found I prefer to vape the 30 guage at16 max watts. I've been building with 30 guage ever since. It's not a free lunch. The 30 guage build is using a lot less wire and seems to produce less visible vapor but I want that. Battery endurance matters to me and I estimate may be I'm getting 20% more puff time.
You do understand how CDR is determined I presume.
Here's a little calculator if you don't like doing all that math stuff.
Battery mAh & C Rating = amp Calculator
Here's a little calculator if you don't like doing all that math stuff.
Battery mAh & C Rating = amp Calculator
I use to use silica obviously before micro coils, but wrapping a coil around the wick is just a pain in most rtas. I think the disadvantage of silica is that it's much easier to install a coil first, then thread the wick, rather to install a wick coil all at once...also just never liked the idea of scorching a silica wick , definitely feel more comfortable with a wick that isn't being scorched and re used.
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