Seems to be separating in max VG mixes for me. Any suggestions other then just adding more PG?
Trouble with TFA Ripe Banana
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What is the complete (ingredients, brands, and percentages) recipe? It might help provide clues. Also; TFA Ripe Banana is a notorious eater of plastics. What sort of a container are you putting this recipe in?
I have had instances of it clouding recipes but have not experienced separation.
I have had instances of it clouding recipes but have not experienced separation.
20PG 80VG 10-20% TFA ripe banana 1% CAP super sweet (Banana Runtz) in the same plastic bottles I use mentol in and never had a problem. It is cloudy but thats normal for banana. Site says "not as water soluble as banana cream".
HOLY COW - 10-20% Ripe Banana??? I have a hard time even using it at .5% it's so potent.
This is the same flavoring another whole thread was about, maybe 4-5 months ago IIRC. Here's what Wizard Labs website has about it, from TPA/TFA:
"Ripe Banana Flavor
Partially water soluble - this flavor is not as water soluble as our other flavors.
This banana is more like a true ripe banana than our Banana Cream.
Warning: This flavor can be hard on certain plastics and may not combine well with large percentages of Vegetable Glycerin"
Bill's Magic Vapor has a suggestion in his blog...about how to mix flavorings like that in DIY, so they won't cloud and will mix better with the other ingredients.
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This is the same flavoring another whole thread was about, maybe 4-5 months ago IIRC. Here's what Wizard Labs website has about it, from TPA/TFA:
"Ripe Banana Flavor
Partially water soluble - this flavor is not as water soluble as our other flavors.
This banana is more like a true ripe banana than our Banana Cream.
Warning: This flavor can be hard on certain plastics and may not combine well with large percentages of Vegetable Glycerin"
Bill's Magic Vapor has a suggestion in his blog...about how to mix flavorings like that in DIY, so they won't cloud and will mix better with the other ingredients.
Bill's Magic Vapor's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
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I know you probably shook your mix. But shake it then shake some more, it might help. And yes Ripe can get cloudy.
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Okay... I have never used Ripe Banana (RB) above 3% so I'm not sure what advise I can offer. I also don't understand what your reference to menthol has to do with this recipe, or the bottles you are using, as I have never heard of menthol reacting with plastic. Are you using nicotine? if so; what is the base (PG, VG, or some combination of both)?
What symptoms (beyond routine clouding) are you seeing that make you think it is separating? Is it actually reverting to layers after mixing? At that high a percentage of RB, and it not being particularly water soluble, I could see that being possible.
You can try assembling your recipe in the following order; if you are not doing it already:
- Add all PG based ingredients first. This includes, PG flavor concentrates, PG based Nicotine, and straight PG.
- Mix thoroughly. Do this as vigorously as you possibly can... don't be shy. If you use any mechanical form of shaking, or stirring; do so now.
- If you nicotine concentrate is VG-based (or PG/VG combination), and therefor was not added during step 1, add it now. (if your nic is PG-based, and previously added during step 1; ignore steps 3 & 4 and go on to step 5)
- Mix thoroughly again.
- Finally; add remaining VG ingredients. Any VG-based flavor concentrates, and straight PG.
- Mix thoroughly again... then mix some more.
) If you still have unsatisfactory results you can also try adding 3-5% (to finished volume) pure grain alcohol (PGA, ethyl alcohol), or a high proof neutral spirit like 151 proof light/white rum, or vodka (whatever the highest proof is that is legally sold in you state).
You can try adding it to an existing batch, or making a fresh batch. If starting from scratch, I would alter the previous steps slightly by starting with only the BR, THEN the alcohol, MIX, then the rest of the PG ingredients, and then continue from step 2.
The alcohol is likely going to give an unpleasant harshness and/or off-flavor at first. So, after the first 2-3 days following mixing (when I have been diligently shaking the stuffings out of the mix every time I walk past), I might consider giving the mix from a few hours, to two days, breathing with the top off, to let the alcohol evaporate out. If it is a really stubborn blend; it still might revert to separation at this point... I just don't know. I have never personally had a recipe separate in almost two years of DIY.
If you find something that works; be sure and let us know. I wish you success!
Cool, didn't see that second part about VG, I'll just try 30/70 next. Yeah menthol cracks PC almost instantly. RB taste like a green banana so if you use 10-20% add CAP 1% super sweet or 2% tfa sweetner. Tastes more like banana candy runtz. Could be using to much because of the separating too.
At 10-20% RP I don't think there is any way you can taste the sweet. That is crazy high percentage for that flavor. Drop to 3-4% (still really high for RB) and see how that works for you. I once left a couple of drops of RB on my scale and it melted a hole in to the plastic.
Didnt know sweet had a "taste", just makes stuff sweeter like candy. Gives me sugar lips. My taste buds are horrible most everything TFA is 20% for me. I'll try higher PG maybe that will bring out the flavour more. Could be old stock as well. If its not mixing well in high VG it would make sense that I hardly taste it. We all taste flavours different as well. RB is recommended at 12-20% though where I got it (watered down with PG perhaps).
There is such a thing as too much flavor and it does mute the finished taste of the product. Funny how that works but it is true. I thought I was being bold at using Ripe Banana @ 4% and that is an 'in your face' type of taste after the mix has aged.
Try scaling back to start @ 4% or something like that. You may be surprised at how much flavor you can actually taste from that amount.
Try scaling back to start @ 4% or something like that. You may be surprised at how much flavor you can actually taste from that amount.
Should mention I vape single 5 wrap 26 awg nichrome around 15w so not getting the dual fused claptons at 60w vape you guys get lol.
I'll have to try a larger batch in a couple weeks. Did 5 drops RB 1 drop super sweet 3 drop VG nic, 24 drops PG 67 drops VG and don't see the separation but 5 drops would be hard to see. Don't taste anything either. Its still cloudy too lol. Green Apple does the same thing so not worried about that.
@Gramdogg -
Did you read what I posted the link to...in Bill's Magic Vapor's blog? Since the TFA RB especially, and some other flavorings, don't mix well with VG...make your mix as Bill suggests:
First combine anything and everything that has no VG in it (ie. flavorings in PG base, plain PG, nic base if it's 100% PG base).
Then add the things with VG in them...(any VG based flavorings, any plain VG you use, nic base if it has any VG in it).
Your mix should not be cloudy doing it that way, will mix much easier, and shouldn't separate.
Did you read what I posted the link to...in Bill's Magic Vapor's blog? Since the TFA RB especially, and some other flavorings, don't mix well with VG...make your mix as Bill suggests:
First combine anything and everything that has no VG in it (ie. flavorings in PG base, plain PG, nic base if it's 100% PG base).
Then add the things with VG in them...(any VG based flavorings, any plain VG you use, nic base if it has any VG in it).
Your mix should not be cloudy doing it that way, will mix much easier, and shouldn't separate.
Yeah I always do that. Only a handful of flavours that still do it for me. RootBeer had the same effect, goes away with heat. Warm bath or just vape it and it goes away. Seems to be when the separation was occurring as well though.
Not sure, was way back when I purchased locally and they wouldn't say.
The thing is, overusing flavorings can actually make you taste them less. I've never used TFA Ripe Banana, but just from reading other people talking about it it sounds like it would be _overwhelming_ at those percentages. It's the kind of flavor people don't so much add to recipes as much as they show the bottle to their recipes and let fear and proximity do the work.
I mean, we're all very different when it comes to how we taste and smell things, and you might be a real outlier (I am a bit unusual when it comes to some flavors, and even some categories of flavors,) but... unless you are I'd suspect that you might just have been over-flavoring so much that your juices are muted and your sense of smell is a bit burnt out. 'Cause even though I've never used TFA Ripe Banana, using it at 20% sounds way too high to me.
Nope, I tried lower %'s. Most all TFA flavours I use 10-15% then when the concentrate ages a little up it to 20%. I've seen HuckleBerry recommended 0.5-1% as well, I need 8-10% before it gets good to me. Don't know how people can use 0.5-1% personally I don't taste anything that low.
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I've seen crazy low %'s in mixes but not as a stand alone flavor. It is like a green banana so maybe it just tastes gross to some at higher %'s but thats what I use the super sweet for, to mellow out that gross over ripe banana and make it more banana candy like.
I've seen crazy low %'s in mixes but not as a stand alone flavor. It is like a green banana so maybe it just tastes gross to some at higher %'s but thats what I use the super sweet for, to mellow out that gross over ripe banana and make it more banana candy like.
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