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What trump says and what he actually does are often different things. He DOES have access to FDA info of course. Whether he has actually bothered to even find out about it is also a different thing of course. We may yet see a walk back.
The little snowflakes can't think for themselves anymore! We have to be sensitive towards there feelings. It's all about the children!!!!! Wretch!!!! It is all about the money. Follow the money. Math doesn't lie.1. Where are parents of the under aged "children" that are vaping?
2. The vaping community knows specifically what is causing the deaths and cases of illnesses. We are not asked and even if we are we are ignored. The cause/s are downplayed, overlooked. It is about politics/money not about a genuine concern for public health.
3. Adults like the flavors "allegedly" marketed only to kids. Adults no longer want tobacco flavor when they realize their vaping can be flavored as say Smarties candies, sweet tea, butterscotch, coffee, Skittles and so on. They want different flavors to avoid the monotony of tobacco flavor. It helps them avoid backsliding to cigarettes.
4. Where is actual leadership willing to take 5 minutes of research to find out people are expressly told DO NOT VAPE OIL BASED PRODUCTS by the vaping community? This has been the case for years too, and in fact is one aspect of the genuine problem causing health issues, deaths.
The vaping community is aware that oil based vaping products act as key vector in Lipoid pneumonia. Looking up different types of pneumonia can point you to this logical and well educated hypothesis. Finding the information took less than a minute, reading over it took maybe two. My point that it could be found out in five minutes stands.
5. As 38 states have some form legalization of Mary the plant Jane on record why not then go on ahead and decriminalize it across Federal standards? This would eliminate any need of black market THC vaping products, which is also another genuine aspect of the problem causing issues/deaths.
6. If my government acts/is so stupid as this in dealing with the genuine issue, or even acts/is so greedy as this well then it is no longer my government. They are finally revealing themselves as they truly are, slaves to greed, power. They no longer represent the American People. I have suspected as much quite a while. This only further confirms it and in a very public fashion that can not be denied.
7. Because it bears repeating where are the fracking parents?
8. Where is personal accountability? I mean seriously, if you do not want the responsibility of rearing children, where a condom, keep it in your damn pants, keep those legs together. It comes back to the parents and if the parents forfeit the children they, the parents ought to be sterilized. This would save the headache of providing welfare for all these abandoned children. Apologies if my heart stops bleeding after a point.
I too very well might have been considered an abandoned child, although I had a mother that would have beaten me back in line too. My .... would have burned had I gone on and done something she forbade in her home. Even as an adult she could still whoop my ..... That's a parent for you. There is vast difference between discipline and abuse. Let parents discipline.
Let parents teach children personal accountability by example. Let parents, parent.
I really don't see how they can enforce this. Keep track of all these transactions. Will there be an agency set up to watch all these online shops and actual vaping stores? Plus all the crap coming in from China? Not possible!Not happening. You can kiss these flavors goodbye.
I really don't see how they can enforce this. Keep track of all these transactions. Will there be an agency set up to watch all these online shops and actual vaping stores? Plus all the crap coming in from China? Not possible!
Possible. This whole thing was done in a rush though. Very specifically frantically and deliberately premature announcements. Announcements that do NOT jibe with what facts are on the ground. And encouraging people to act as quickly as possible before the actual findings are released. The whole thing stinks to me.Not happening. You can kiss these flavors goodbye.
I wanted to use that word snowflakes earlier but it has become a political dog-whistle term and no longer means what it used to.The little snowflakes can't think for themselves anymore! We have to be sensitive towards there feelings. It's all about the children!!!!! Wretch!!!! It is all about the money. Follow the money. Math doesn't lie.
the issue is that these issues are not nicotine based at all. Who tells their parents they’re going to go off and do illegal drugs?1. Where are parents of the under aged "children" that are vaping?
this does seem to be the case2. The vaping community knows specifically what is causing the deaths and cases of illnesses. We are not asked and even if we are we are ignored. The cause/s are downplayed, overlooked. It is about politics/money not about a genuine concern for public health.
yep. Which is why the big tobacco money wants this so badly and has for years.3. Adults like the flavors "allegedly" marketed only to kids. Adults no longer want tobacco flavor when they realize their vaping can be flavored as say Smarties candies, sweet tea, butterscotch, coffee, Skittles and so on. They want different flavors to avoid the monotony of tobacco flavor. It helps them avoid backsliding to cigarettes.
. Oils weren’t the issue apparently. It was cheap thickeners some based on vitamin E acetate. something that would be a major violation to begin with for anyone selling a deeming approved commercial juice. One comment made here pointed out that it was likely caused by a tipping point in costs brought on by the trade war. I have no data on this myself though.4. Where is actual leadership willing to take 5 minutes of research to find out people are expressly told DO NOT VAPE OIL BASED PRODUCTS by the vaping community? This has been the case for years too, and in fact is one aspect of the genuine problem causing health issues, deaths.
there is some evidence suggesting that the whole lipid pneumonia thing was a bit of a scam to begin with. Apparently cigarettes have something like 700 times as much diacetyl in them as the max amount in ecigs.The vaping community is aware that oil based vaping products act as key vector in Lipoid pneumonia.
like has been happening for years now? It will probably happen. One thing that has been made clear here though is that rushing to judgement often causes bigger problems than it solvesLooking up different types of pneumonia can point you to this logical and well educated hypothesis. Finding the information took less than a minute, reading over it took maybe two. My point that it could be found out in five minutes stands.
5. As 38 states have some form legalization of Mary the plant Jane on record why not then go on ahead and decriminalize it across Federal standards?
what I have been seeing implies it is basically the entire issue. I doubt even that would close the black market issue though. Black market cigarettes are a big thing in a lot of places stillThis would eliminate any need of black market THC vaping products, which is also another genuine aspect of the problem causing issues/deaths.
this implies the behavior is new. Not sure it is myself6. If my government acts/is so stupid as this in dealing with the genuine issue, or even acts/is so greedy as this well then it is no longer my government.
the same place it’s always been. Something humans want to foist off on others when it is to their advantage but avoid themselves as much as possible. It has historically been the standard path to riches. There are others but they generally require actually doing something useful, and that is relatively rare.They are finally revealing themselves as they truly are, slaves to greed, power. They no longer represent the American People. I have suspected as much quite a while. This only further confirms it and in a very public fashion that can not be denied.
7. Because it bears repeating where are the fracking parents?
8. Where is personal accountability?
people are doing that a lot lately. It’s causing serious issues with population reduction. People still get old and die and need to be replaced with other people. The US has been maintaining its population with immigration for years nowI mean seriously, if you do not want the responsibility of rearing children, where a condom, keep it in your damn pants, keep those legs together. It comes back to the parents and if the parents forfeit the children they, the parents ought to be sterilized. This would save the headache of providing welfare for all these abandoned children. Apologies if my heart stops bleeding after a point.
and did it stop you from doing them? I notice by being on this fourm you were at least at one time a smoker, so the evidence says possibly notI too very well might have been considered an abandoned child, although I had a mother that would have beaten me back in line too. My .... would have burned had I gone on and done something she forbade in her home.
Even as an adult she could still whoop my ..... That's a parent for you. There is vast difference between discipline and abuse. Let parents discipline.
Let parents teach children personal accountability by example. Let parents, parent.
and did it stop you from doing them? I notice by being on this fourm you were at least at one time a smoker, so the evidence says possibly not
Yes! [emoji120]1. Where are parents of the under aged "children" that are vaping?
2. The vaping community knows specifically what is causing the deaths and cases of illnesses. We are not asked and even if we are we are ignored. The cause/s are downplayed, overlooked. It is about politics/money not about a genuine concern for public health.
3. Adults like the flavors "allegedly" marketed only to kids. Adults no longer want tobacco flavor when they realize their vaping can be flavored as say Smarties candies, sweet tea, butterscotch, coffee, Skittles and so on. They want different flavors to avoid the monotony of tobacco flavor. It helps them avoid backsliding to cigarettes.
4. Where is actual leadership willing to take 5 minutes of research to find out people are expressly told DO NOT VAPE OIL BASED PRODUCTS by the vaping community? This has been the case for years too, and in fact is one aspect of the genuine problem causing health issues, deaths.
The vaping community is aware that oil based vaping products act as key vector in Lipoid pneumonia. Looking up different types of pneumonia can point you to this logical and well educated hypothesis. Finding the information took less than a minute, reading over it took maybe two. My point that it could be found out in five minutes stands.
5. As 38 states have some form legalization of Mary the plant Jane on record why not then go on ahead and decriminalize it across Federal standards? This would eliminate any need of black market THC vaping products, which is also another genuine aspect of the problem causing issues/deaths.
6. If my government acts/is so stupid as this in dealing with the genuine issue, or even acts/is so greedy as this well then it is no longer my government. They are finally revealing themselves as they truly are, slaves to greed, power. They no longer represent the American People. I have suspected as much quite a while. This only further confirms it and in a very public fashion that can not be denied.
7. Because it bears repeating where are the fracking parents?
8. Where is personal accountability? I mean seriously, if you do not want the responsibility of rearing children, where a condom, keep it in your damn pants, keep those legs together. It comes back to the parents and if the parents forfeit the children they, the parents ought to be sterilized. This would save the headache of providing welfare for all these abandoned children. Apologies if my heart stops bleeding after a point.
I too very well might have been considered an abandoned child, although I had a mother that would have beaten me back in line too. My .... would have burned had I gone on and done something she forbade in her home. Even as an adult she could still whoop my ..... That's a parent for you. There is vast difference between discipline and abuse. Let parents discipline.
Let parents teach children personal accountability by example. Let parents, parent.
The little snowflakes can't think for themselves anymore! We have to be sensitive towards there feelings. It's all about the children!!!!! Wretch!!!! It is all about the money. Follow the money. Math doesn't lie.
1. Where are parents of the under aged "children" that are vaping?
2. The vaping community knows specifically what is causing the deaths and cases of illnesses. We are not asked and even if we are we are ignored. The cause/s are downplayed, overlooked. It is about politics/money not about a genuine concern for public health.
3. Adults like the flavors "allegedly" marketed only to kids. Adults no longer want tobacco flavor when they realize their vaping can be flavored as say Smarties candies, sweet tea, butterscotch, coffee, Skittles and so on. They want different flavors to avoid the monotony of tobacco flavor. It helps them avoid backsliding to cigarettes.
4. Where is actual leadership willing to take 5 minutes of research to find out people are expressly told DO NOT VAPE OIL BASED PRODUCTS by the vaping community? This has been the case for years too, and in fact is one aspect of the genuine problem causing health issues, deaths.
The vaping community is aware that oil based vaping products act as key vector in Lipoid pneumonia. Looking up different types of pneumonia can point you to this logical and well educated hypothesis. Finding the information took less than a minute, reading over it took maybe two. My point that it could be found out in five minutes stands.
5. As 38 states have some form legalization of Mary the plant Jane on record why not then go on ahead and decriminalize it across Federal standards? This would eliminate any need of black market THC vaping products, which is also another genuine aspect of the problem causing issues/deaths.
6. If my government acts/is so stupid as this in dealing with the genuine issue, or even acts/is so greedy as this well then it is no longer my government. They are finally revealing themselves as they truly are, slaves to greed, power. They no longer represent the American People. I have suspected as much quite a while. This only further confirms it and in a very public fashion that can not be denied.
7. Because it bears repeating where are the fracking parents?
8. Where is personal accountability? I mean seriously, if you do not want the responsibility of rearing children, where a condom, keep it in your damn pants, keep those legs together. It comes back to the parents and if the parents forfeit the children they, the parents ought to be sterilized. This would save the headache of providing welfare for all these abandoned children. Apologies if my heart stops bleeding after a point.
I too very well might have been considered an abandoned child, although I had a mother that would have beaten me back in line too. My .... would have burned had I gone on and done something she forbade in her home. Even as an adult she could still whoop my ..... That's a parent for you. There is vast difference between discipline and abuse. Let parents discipline.
Let parents teach children personal accountability by example. Let parents, parent.