Trustfire chargers Blow Up?!

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Thanks Zoidman will check out the cord :)

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No problem... The first place I would go is somewhere that Sells/Fixes Computers. Bring your cord with you. Ask them if they have a New One. If they don't, ask them if they have an Old One laying around in the back. I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it to you.

I have seen this type of cord on many Printers and Laptops.
 

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These trustfire tr001 chargers are pure crap. They are only attractive to anyone because they are CHEAP. They're not good. They're not even decent.

Here's a pic of the cord on mine from volcano, this failed after 1 week of sitting on my shelf. Great product.

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These trustfire tr001 chargers are pure crap. They are only attractive to anyone because they are CHEAP. They're not good. They're not even decent.

Here's a pic of the cord on mine from volcano, this failed after 1 week of sitting on my shelf. Great product.

A hundred million of those chargers in use and they're not even decent because the cord is cheap? Remember all those SUV's that were sold with the crappy tires? Were they all "pure crap"?

Trustfire doesn't make cords. Something having a crappy detachable cord included doesn't make it crap, let alone of the pure variety. These are cord issues, not charger issues. Even a few thousand cord fails is insignificant in light of the huge number of these chargers sold. It may not be insignificant to you, but it's insignificant in the world of reality, where I reside and where my personal experience isn't the barometer of truth.

Where are all the horror stories of the chargers themselves failing? I'm sure it happens. But to say they're only attractive for the price is just silly. They're attractive because of their overall value, given the alternatives.

Mine's been working flawlessly, and without cord issues, for about 8 years. Hardly "pure crap". But, OTOH, I'm not going to claim they're the best charger in the world, even though the best charger in the world would have done nothing different.

BTW, that cord didn't "fail". Use some silicone, Sumo glue or good self-sealing electrical tape on it. Or just send it back or replace it yourself if you're worried about it.
 

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No problem... The first place I would go is somewhere that Sells/Fixes Computers. Bring your cord with you. Ask them if they have a New One. If they don't, ask them if they have an Old One laying around in the back. I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it to you.

I have seen this type of cord on many Printers and Laptops.

This is also the kind of cord used on electric shavers. There are a zillion shavers out there whose dead rechargeable batteries have made them disposable. If you're lucky enough to have a shaver service center near you, they'll give you one free, or you can pick one up in their dumpster out back. Many shavers, especially old ones, use very high quality cords due to their proximity to water.

Also, any appliance repair and/or parts store will have them, and better quality ones too.
 

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A hundred million of those chargers in use and they're not even decent because the cord is cheap? Remember all those SUV's that were sold with the crappy tires? Were they all "pure crap"?

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This is a Good Point.

One Bad Batch of Cords that a Sub-Contractor supplied the OEM doesn't make a Product, either Past of Present, crap.

If I didn't buy a things because I read a few bad reviews on the Internet, I wouldn't buy Anything.

Because in this Information Day and Age you can ALWAYS find someone who has had a Problem with Anything.
 

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I've been using that charger for some time. I have a couple of them. I even have a cord to plug it into a car cigarette lighter. They work fine. There's nothing here that scares me. I'm sure the charger manufacturer doesn't make the cord. This is just a bad one. Besides I'm too cheap to fork out the money for a Pila. I do use a charging bag though.
 

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These trustfire tr001 chargers are pure crap. They are only attractive to anyone because they are CHEAP. They're not good. They're not even decent.

Here's a pic of the cord on mine from volcano, this failed after 1 week of sitting on my shelf. Great product.

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Sorry you had a bad experience with the Trustfire TR-001. This is the one I talked about earlier that I have had for over 9 months and use it daily. Never had any kind of problem and has the same cord you show. Its a great charger and I like it because it has 2 LED's and shows when one of the batteries is charged, and I can take it out while the other one is still charging or put in a new one to charge. Some of the posters have been using this unit for years. It seems that any product has lemons, but IMHO you should not just conclude that this one is junk because you had a bad experiance with the CORD. I bet if you got a new cord the charger itself would work great.
 

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A hundred million of those chargers in use and they're not even decent because the cord is cheap? Remember all those SUV's that were sold with the crappy tires? Were they all "pure crap"?

Trustfire doesn't make cords. Something having a crappy detachable cord included doesn't make it crap, let alone of the pure variety. These are cord issues, not charger issues. Even a few thousand cord fails is insignificant in light of the huge number of these chargers sold. It may not be insignificant to you, but it's insignificant in the world of reality, where I reside and where my personal experience isn't the barometer of truth.

Where are all the horror stories of the chargers themselves failing? I'm sure it happens. But to say they're only attractive for the price is just silly. They're attractive because of their overall value, given the alternatives.

Mine's been working flawlessly, and without cord issues, for about 8 years. Hardly "pure crap". But, OTOH, I'm not going to claim they're the best charger in the world, even though the best charger in the world would have done nothing different.

BTW, that cord didn't "fail". Use some silicone, Sumo glue or good self-sealing electrical tape on it. Or just send it back or replace it yourself if you're worried about it.

Sailorman,

While I appreciate you jumping all over me for a product you so dearly love, perhaps I should have started by explaining that within 2 days of owning this charger it failed to charge my batteries higher than 3.4v (AW IMR 18650's straight from volcano) After attempting many times to charge or recharge the batteries the charger went totally flakey reporting batteries sitting at 3.1 volts were charged and often placing a second battery in the adjacent port would cause the charger to quick flash bloth lights. Often unpluggign the charger for a minute or two and removing the batteries would reset the charger however the batteries would still never come to full charge. When I pulld the charger from the shelf it was on I noticed the plug insulation showing through. Even if I used silicone ducttape gorilla glue, or some other half assed repair it wouldnt make it right or make me feel more conifdent in the product as it still would not be recharging my batteries properly. I called volcano and they are offering to replace it however, I am not sure I want this cheap piece of junk in my home. I have zero confidence in its ability to simply not catch fire and vaporize itself.

And about your Ford EXPLODER. Next time buy a Chevy.

HEH! totally kidding there, I dont care ford or chevy just ribbing ya a bit , I drive a F150 and love it.

Smile Sailor we can disagree and still be friends.
 

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Sailorman,

While I appreciate you jumping all over me for a product you so dearly love, perhaps I should have started by explaining that within 2 days of owning this charger it failed to charge my batteries higher than 3.4v (AW IMR 18650's straight from volcano) After attempting many times to charge or recharge the batteries the charger went totally flakey reporting batteries sitting at 3.1 volts were charged and often placing a second battery in the adjacent port would cause the charger to quick flash bloth lights. Often unpluggign the charger for a minute or two and removing the batteries would reset the charger however the batteries would still never come to full charge. When I pulld the charger from the shelf it was on I noticed the plug insulation showing through. Even if I used silicone ducttape gorilla glue, or some other half assed repair it wouldnt make it right or make me feel more conifdent in the product as it still would not be recharging my batteries properly. I called volcano and they are offering to replace it however, I am not sure I want this cheap piece of junk in my home. I have zero confidence in its ability to simply not catch fire and vaporize itself.

And about your Ford EXPLODER. Next time buy a Chevy.

HEH! totally kidding there, I dont care ford or chevy just ribbing ya a bit , I drive a F150 and love it.

Smile Sailor we can disagree and still be friends.

Perhaps you should have said something besides it was crappy because the cord was crappy. This entire thread is full of people jumping all over the charger, saying it "exploded", "throw the batteries away", etc. based on nothing but what was a defective cord. Then you come in with a picture of a defective cord and nothing else, saying it's pure crap. It's been a long time since I was able to read minds. Why should I not think you were just another poster jumping on the bandwagon?

I don't "dearly love" this charger. I have much better chargers. What I object to is the mindless hysteria that keeps sweeping through this board every time some piece of equipment fails, or when a failure is exaggerated or attributed to the wrong cause or the fact it was made in China, or sometimes even when there's really no failure at all. Sometimes, when the user is just an idiot, like the guy in Florida with the exploding batteries.

Having said all that. Even if you got a defective charger, you still have provided no evidence of anything except that you got a defective charger. Do you expect a 0% failure rate? Do you know the cause of the failure and can you say with authority that it is a design flaw? I think not. I'm sure if I look, I can find accounts of defective Pila chargers. There are plenty of accounts of Maha chargers being defective. I once had a defective LiPo charger that was hand built in the U.S.A. and cost me well over $300. Are they all crap? The fears that you expressed about your replacement charger are irrational, but if you don't want it, send it to me.

And Explorers are crap anyway. I've driven them, but I've never owned one. But the tires didn't make them crap. Get a Pathfinder. :p
 
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Perhaps you should have said something besides it was crappy because the cord was crappy. This entire thread is full of people jumping all over the charger, saying it "exploded", "throw the batteries away", etc. based on nothing but what was a defective cord. Then you come in with a picture of a defective cord and nothing else, saying it's pure crap. It's been a long time since I was able to read minds. Why should I not think you were just another poster jumping on the bandwagon?

I don't "dearly love" this charger. I have much better chargers. What I object to is the mindless hysteria that keeps sweeping through this board every time some piece of equipment fails, or when a failure is exaggerated or attributed to the wrong cause or the fact it was made in China, or sometimes even when there's really no failure at all. Sometimes, when the user is just an idiot, like the guy in Florida with the exploding batteries.

Having said all that. Even if you got a defective charger, you still have provided no evidence of anything except that you got a defective charger. Do you expect a 0% failure rate? Do you know the cause of the failure and can you say with authority that it is a design flaw? I think not. I'm sure if I look, I can find accounts of defective Pila chargers. There are plenty of accounts of Maha chargers being defective. I once had a defective LiPo charger that was hand built in the U.S.A. and cost me well over $300. Are they all crap? The fears that you expressed about your replacement charger are irrational, but if you don't want it, send it to me.

And Explorers are crap anyway. I've driven them, but I've never owned one. But the tires didn't make them crap. Get a Pathfinder. :p

Touche' :D I cannot prove that the engineering or design caused the problem. Suffice it to say my initial UNOFFICIAL SUBJECTIVE AND COMPLETELY BIASED AND APPARENTLY WORTHLESS OPINION is these chargers are crap and would better substitute as toilet paper than a battery charger. Being as though I refuse to buy a couple hundred more chargers to attempt to burn my house down with I cannot substantiate my claim. Again my experience is litmited to a single worthless charger and my opinion should be taken as such. Disregard the fact that several other users in this thread have reported the same.

I wrongly accused said charger tr001 of being a piece of crap and should have stated its only a piece of crap if you overlook that mine has neither worked for more than a day and became a fire hazard within a week. Again not the manufacturers fault who supplied the cord.

I can say I understand your point of view but your stance is ludacris.

Just because you have had a fair amount of luck with a product doesnt mean we all have love for it.

It Failed in 2 seperate ways within 1 week of ownership, I cant deny that this makes me doubt the quality of the product much less the design.

If a component of a charger fails it is on the honus of the manufacturer, not the lesser of its comprissal.

If a capacitor or diode fails in the charger does it still not mean the charger failed regardless at the level?

If I have a poor experience am I not entitled to share the same as you are entitled to share your good experiences?

Not badgering and not mad, keep it light.
 
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Touche' :D I cannot prove that the engineering or design caused the problem. Suffice it to say my initial UNOFFICIAL SUBJECTIVE AND COMPLETELY BIASED AND APPARENTLY WORTHLESS OPINION is these chargers are crap and would better substitute as toilet paper than a battery charger. Being as though I refuse to buy a couple hundred more chargers to attempt to burn my house down with I cannot substantiate my claim. Again my experience is litmited to a single worthless charger and my opinion should be taken as such. Disregard the fact that several other users in this thread have reported the same.

You evidently have no conception of how may of these chargers are sold every day. Just to put it in perspective, what's the odds you and I would have the exact same piece of equipment, and mine is 8 years old? How many millions of these things do you figure there are? So, unless you have some specific reason that the design of millions of chargers is substandard, then your opinion should apply to YOUR charger, and yours only. Try it like this: "THIS charger is pure crap". See the difference? Now you aren't making a blanket statement about millions of chargers.

I wrongly accused said charger tr001 of being a piece of crap and should have stated its only a piece of crap if you overlook that mine has neither worked for more than a day and became a fire hazard within a week. Again not the manufacturers fault who supplied the cord.

No... you still don't get it. Repeat after me: "MY charger was a piece of crap." See how easy? Now you don't sound like you're irrationally judging an entire design.

I can say I understand your point of view but your stance is ludacris.

No... Ludacris is a rap artist. My stance is perfectly logical and rational

Just because you have had a fair amount of luck with a product doesnt mean we all have love for it.

I, and 9,990,000 other people have no problem with this charger. That's not luck. That means that it's not a piece of crap. You, OTOH, were the one who had luck. Bad luck.

It Failed in 2 seperate ways within 1 week of ownership, I cant deny that this makes me doubt the quality of the product much less the design.

In fact, it failed once. The cord didn't fail. The cord might well have failed, but if you had plugged it and left it alone, it might have worked for years. The wire wasn't exposed, and a short, while more likely, was not a certainty. If the design caused the failure of a component, by a poor specification for example, then you could call it a bad design. But nothing indicates anything but the failure of a component due to a previously defective component having been used. Otherwise, if the design was bad, these chargers would be failing all over the place. Besides, even Rolls Royce has a warranty department.

If a component of a charger fails it is on the honus of the manufacturer, not the lesser of its comprissal.

What does baseball have to do with this? Besides, no. All components have a failure and defect rate. If they didn't, neither would the assembly they comprise. If my hard drive fails, it doesn't mean my computer is crap, unless something about the design of my computer caused the failure. If you want to buy an individually tested charger with individually hand tested and matched components, I suggest it will cost substantially more than a TR-001. Following your logic, you should blame your e-cig vendor. You bought a kit. A kit is a system. The charger is but one small component of that kit in the same way that the cord or the diode or whatever is but one small component of the charger. It is just as reasonable to expect your vendor to test the charger as it is to expect the charger manufacturer to test each individual component. (Meaning not reasonable at all)
BTW, what is a comprissal? I bet you cheat at Scrabble.

If a capacitor or diode fails in the charger does it still not mean the charger failed regardless at the level?

Yes, the charger failed. I never said it didn't. I said it wasn't "pure crap" To be "pure crap", it would have to fail at a high rate due to manufacturing defects or a design or specification deficiency. Until you can identify one, your label of crap is groundless.

If I have a poor experience am I not entitled to share the same as you are entitled to share your good experiences?

Certainly. But saying the charger is "pure crap" based on your experience with it is as ridiculous and irrational as me saying that it's the best charger in the world based on nothing but the fact that mine didn't fail. Does it occur to you that Volcano, not to mention all the other vendors who ship this charger, has a handle on how many returns they get? They sell a lot of kits. They know what the defect rate is. Do you think that they would continue to ship a charger if the defect rate was so high that it caused them too much trouble? Do you reckon they think that would be good for business?

Not badgering and not mad, keep it light.

Lighter than a mad badger and twice the fun.
 
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You evidently have no conception of how may of these chargers are sold every day. Just to put it in perspective, what's the odds you and I would have the exact same piece of equipment, and mine is 8 years old? How many millions of these things do you figure there are? So, unless you have some specific reason that the design of millions of chargers is substandard, then your opinion should apply to YOUR charger, and yours only. Try it like this: "THIS charger is pure crap". See the difference? Now you aren't making a blanket statement about millions of chargers.

I think you missed the fact that I said it was my opinion and did not need substantiation by your or anyone else to be valid.

No... you still don't get it. Repeat after me: "MY charger was a piece of crap." See how easy? Now you don't sound like you're irrationally judging an entire design.
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No... Ludacris is a rap artist. My stance is perfectly logical and rational
If you had not missed the first point i might be led to believe you may be onto something, atleast thats what Luda would say.
I, and 9,990,000 other people have no problem with this charger. That's not luck. That means that it's not a piece of crap. You, OTOH, were the one who had luck. Bad luck.

If you cannot provide these 9.99 Million people then using your own logic these people and their cahrgers do not exist and therefore remains circumstancial until you can present them. Therefore you are guilty of making blanket statements.

In fact, it failed once. The cord didn't fail. The cord might well have failed, but if you had plugged it and left it alone, it might have worked for years. The wire wasn't exposed, and a short, while more likely, was not a certainty. If the design caused the failure of a component, by a poor specification for example, then you could call it a bad design. But nothing indicates anything but the failure of a component due to a previously defective component having been used. Otherwise, if the design was bad, these chargers would be failing all over the place. Besides, even Rolls Royce has a warranty department.

The wire is down to bare copper. It may be hard to tell from the cellphone pic but both the inner and outer insulation are totally seperated. Did you miss where I explained that even if this cord was not bare that it stopped charging batteries or did you selectively ignore that part ?

What does baseball have to do with this? Besides, no. All components have a failure and defect rate. If they didn't, neither would the assembly they comprise. If my hard drive fails, it doesn't mean my computer is crap, unless something about the design of my computer caused the failure. If you want to buy an individually tested charger with individually hand tested and matched components, I suggest it will cost substantially more than a TR-001. Following your logic, you should blame your e-cig vendor. You bought a kit. A kit is a system. The charger is but one small component of that kit in the same way that the cord or the diode or whatever is but one small component of the charger. It is just as reasonable to expect your vendor to test the charger as it is to expect the charger manufacturer to test each individual component. (Meaning not reasonable at all)
BTW, what is a comprissal? I bet you cheat at Scrabble.
Sorry typo Com'prisal I didnt realize I had to be 100% accurate in my punctuation and grammar to speak to you . Would it help if I typed slower ? :D

I do blame my ecig vendor for not having the common snese to choose a more reliable charger.

Yes, the charger failed. I never said it didn't. I said it wasn't "pure crap" To be "pure crap", it would have to fail at a high rate due to manufacturing defects or a design or specification deficiency. Until you can identify one, your label of crap is groundless.
Just as your justification of this charger is the love of my life is groundless.... and pure crap :D

Certainly. But saying the charger is "pure crap" based on your experience with it is as ridiculous and irrational as me saying that it's the best charger in the world based on nothing but the fact that mine didn't fail. Does it occur to you that Volcano, not to mention all the other vendors who ship this charger, has a handle on how many returns they get? They sell a lot of kits. They know what the defect rate is. Do you think that they would continue to ship a charger if the defect rate was so high that it caused them too much trouble? Do you reckon they think that would be good for business?
Do you think all vendors care what the defect rate is so long as they are getting paid and driving a profit. This isnt the OLD USA that used to take pride in craftsmanship and american customer service. Instead we have poster boy running to support a cheaply made chinese product that deserves the criticism it gets. CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP!.....CRAP! :D

And just to be juvenile and always a kid at heart I present this:
 
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I think you missed the fact that I said it was my opinion and did not need substantiation by your or anyone else to be valid.

You labor under the all too common delusion that all opinions are valid. All opinions are Not valid. All opinions have an equal right to be voiced, but some opinions are not worthy of consideration because they are based on no substantial facts.


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see above for response.

If you had not missed the first point i might be led to believe you may be onto something, atleast thats what Luda would say.
I missed no point. Your point was based on an invalid premise that all opinions are valid. Therefore, you point was invalid.

If you cannot provide these 9.99 Million people then using your own logic these people and their cahrgers do not exist and therefore remains circumstancial until you can present them. Therefore you are guilty of making blanket statements.
I am under no obligation to prove the exact number of units sold. The fact that they are included in virtually every e-cig kit that uses this type of battery, and in flashlight kits, and are very popular on other sites as well, and have been for nearly a decade, is enough circumstantial evidence that millions have been sold to make my point. People are in prison with life sentences based on weaker circumstantial evidence. NO product could remain on the market so long and in so many venues if they were "pure crap". Don't you believe in the free-market system's ability to winnow out crap? That's what I always hear whenever anyone advocates regulations against crap in the marketplace. Are you a commie or something? :D

The wire is down to bare copper. It may be hard to tell from the cellphone pic but both the inner and outer insulation are totally seperated. Did you miss where I explained that even if this cord was not bare that it stopped charging batteries or did you selectively ignore that part ?
I didn't ignore anything. It's irrelevant. If a charger fails, it's one failure. You count the failure of each component as a separate incident. You claimed two failures when, in fact, there was one failure.


Sorry typo Com'prisal I didnt realize I had to be 100% accurate in my punctuation and grammar to speak to you . Would it help if I typed slower ? :D

My reading comprehension and grammar skills are well above average. Slower typing is unnecessary. However, it would help if, when you try to use obscure words, you would use them correctly. For example don't use a verb where a noun is called for. Com'prisal is not only obscure, it is a verb and, in the context of your sentence, makes no sense even if it had been spelled correctly.

I do blame my ecig vendor for not having the common snese to choose a more reliable charger.
Again, you assume it is unreliable. YOURS was unreliable. The fact that your ecig vendor, as well as many, many, more, chooses this charger, is prima-facie evidence that it is, in fact, reliable. Volcano is a very large company and they didn't get that way by selling junk.

Just as your justification of this charger is the love of my life is groundless.... and pure crap :D
This makes no sense, so I will ignore it.


Do you think all vendors care what the defect rate is so long as they are getting paid and driving a profit. This isnt the OLD USA that used to take pride in craftsmanship and american customer service. Instead we have poster boy running to support a cheaply made chinese product that deserves the criticism it gets. CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP!.....CRAP! :D
Yes, to a point. Every return they get costs them money. I'm no "poster boy". I'm simply stating facts that you seem too blinded by our own little narrow experience to comprehend. Look through this thread. You claimed before that people were complaining about it. In fact, the majority of posters on this very thread have had no problem with it. But again, you're too blinded to see the facts before your very eyes.
 

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You labor under the all too common delusion that all opinions are valid. All opinions are Not valid. All opinions have an equal right to be voiced, but some opinions are not worthy of consideration because they are based on no substantial facts.
Thats the funny thing about about opinions they need no validation or justification and serve the offerer just fine. To have an opnion needs not the qualification of your consideration or anyone else to be valid. A opinion doesnt need validation but generally only self loathing righteous types like to think their infinitesimal existance should bare over others.




I missed no point. Your point was based on an invalid premise that all opinions are valid. Therefore, you point was invalid.

Again noone needs your god gifted consent to have an opinion. Valid opinions are valid merely because they exist. Find a dictionary and read it and I bet you will find no where does it read :

o·pin·ion
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I am under no obligation to prove the exact number of units sold. The fact that they are included in virtually every e-cig kit that uses this type of battery, and in flashlight kits, and are very popular on other sites as well, and have been for nearly a decade, is enough circumstantial evidence that millions have been sold to make my point. People are in prison with life sentences based on weaker circumstantial evidence. NO product could remain on the market so long and in so many venues if they were "pure crap". Don't you believe in the free-market system's ability to winnow out crap? That's what I always hear whenever anyone advocates regulations against crap in the marketplace. Are you a commie or something? :D
Well I woulda been much more impressed if you brought fourth a running register of owner approval! Sometimes the market does winnow out the lesser in free market however it is the economies of scale. Sometimes a lesser products stay on the market even if it doesnt work as werll simply because of it's cost effectiveness. Doesnt make it good it just makes it more attractive than the alternative. A commie ? hmmm I am a republican... I have heard a few of them being called commies lately although I prefer to think of myself as a progressive isolationist in the most basic of terms. :D

I didn't ignore anything. It's irrelevant. If a charger fails, it's one failure. You count the failure of each component as a separate incident. You claimed two failures when, in fact, there was one failure.

No there were actually 3 distinct failures. My failure to buy a better charger. and then the two seperate failures of the same charger as a unit.

My reading comprehension and grammar skills are well above average. Slower typing is unnecessary. However, it would help if, when you try to use obscure words, you would use them correctly. For example don't use a verb where a noun is called for. Com'prisal is not only obscure, it is a verb and, in the context of your sentence, makes no sense even if it had been spelled correctly.
World English Dictionary
comprise (kəmˈpraɪz)
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1. to include; contain
2. to constitute the whole of; consist of: her singing comprised the entertainment

com'prisable
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com'prisal
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COMPRISE is the verb form. Com'prisal is the noun form. Comprise is hardly obscure.



Again, you assume it is unreliable. YOURS was unreliable. The fact that your ecig vendor, as well as many, many, more, chooses this charger, is prima-facie evidence that it is, in fact, reliable. Volcano is a very large company and they didn't get that way by selling junk.
Yeah they got that way by selling everyone elses junk.



Yes, to a point. Every return they get costs them money. I'm no "poster boy". I'm simply stating facts that you seem too blinded by our own little narrow experience to comprehend. Look through this thread. You claimed before that people were complaining about it. In fact, the majority of posters on this very thread have had no problem with it. But again, you're too blinded to see the facts before your very eyes.

I gotta ask what hand you had in the design, sale, implementation, importation, distribution or advertising for trustfire chargers. You sure do push hard for them. Or can you not say because then you shouldnt be posting here ?


Alright alright enough playing around i dont wanna keep this up I am done having fun with ya nothing but love for ya Sailorman :D If you are ever gonna be in the Eldersburg MD area hit me up I will buy ya a beer! :p
 
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Thats the funny thing about about opinions they need no validation or justification and serve the offerer just fine. To have an opnion needs not the qualification of your consideration or anyone else to be valid. A opinion doesnt need validation but generally only self loathing righteous types like to think their infinitesimal existance should bare over others.

Yes, opinions serve the offerer just fine. The funny things about opinions is that their function is not to serve the "offerer" at all. An opinion designed to serve only the "offerer" is no more than mental .........ion. Worthless opinions, invalid opinions, groundless opinions and biased opinions all serve the offerer just fine. Their lack of validity is irrelevant to their their degree of utility to the offerer. But that doesn't make them valid or justified. It doesn't lend them validity to anyone other than the offerer. (hint: offerer is not a word. You DO cheat at Scrabble, don't you?)

If my opinion was that the earth was flat, is that a valid opinion? It may serve me just fine. I have the right to express it. But does that make it a valid opinion? No, it does not. There are valid opinions and invalid opinions. That's a very important fact that seems to escape you. It would behoove you to learn how to distinguish between valid and invalid opinions.

The nonsensical statement about "self loathing righteous....blah, blah, blah,...." is not only babble, it's not true even if someone could interpret it in a way that made sense. This isn't an issue of someone validating another person's opinion. Opinions are validated by objective facts. No individual, righteous as they may or may not be, creates facts. Facts are what they are. They alone bear upon the validity of opinions. I don't have the power to influence whether or not an opinion is valid. The best I can do is to recognize the difference between a fact based opinion and a non-fact based opinion. Reality is the judge of an opinion's validity. If you wish to create an alternate reality to conform to your opinions, that is your prerogative, but don't expect anyone else to conform to it.

Again noone needs your god gifted consent to have an opinion. Valid opinions are valid merely because they exist. Find a dictionary and read it and I bet you will find no where does it read :

o·pin·ion
noun
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal only valid if consented by sailormans gifted writings.

I love that: "Valid opinions are valid simply because they exist". Yep. Green is green because it's green too. And martians are martians simply because they exist. If they're martians, they're martians. If they're valid, they're valid. That's not the question. The question is: Are opinions valid simply because they exist? I would assert that no, they're not.

See and comprehend the above. Everyone HAS an opinion. Everyone has a ....well, you know what, as well. But you are totally and completely wrong to assert that an opinion is valid simply by dint of its existence. Refer to my opinion that the earth is flat, diseases are caused by demon spirits and spontaneous generation is how life emerges. All opinions and all rendered invalid by reality.


Well I woulda been much more impressed if you brought fourth a running register of owner approval! Sometimes the market does winnow out the lesser in free market however it is the economies of scale. Sometimes a lesser products stay on the market even if it doesnt work as werll simply because of it's cost effectiveness. Doesnt make it good it just makes it more attractive than the alternative. A commie ? hmmm I am a republican... I have heard a few of them being called commies lately although I prefer to think of myself as a progressive isolationist in the most basic of terms. :D

As a republican, perhaps you get your news from Fox. That would explain your confusion about the nature of, and the criteria for, evaluating the validity of opinions. In Fox's zeal to appear "balanced" they continually present opposing opinions as equally valid, even though reality dictates they are not. Therefore, Fox viewers have been trained to lose any capacity to distinguish between fact based opinion and "alternate reality" based opinion.

If a product stays on the market for 10 years, even though it is "pure crap", that alone is evidence of the failure of the free market system. Something that doesn't work well for the cost, but is cost effective, is an oxymoron. If it doesn't work well, by definition it cannot be cost effective. For "pure crap" to be cost effective, the cost would have to be zero or less.

No there were actually 3 distinct failures. My failure to buy a better charger. and then the two seperate failures of the same charger as a unit.

Wrong again. If you want to consider your failure as a separate event, fine. But the charger didn't fail twice. You don't know the reason for the failure of the charger in the first place. For all you know, it could have been caused by the cord. If your charger failed twice, it is because you continued to try to use it after the first failure. If your car overheats and blows the engine, did it fail twice?

World English Dictionary
comprise (kəmˈpraɪz)
— vb
1. to include; contain
2. to constitute the whole of; consist of: her singing comprised the entertainment

com'prisable
— adj

com'prisal
— n

COMPRISE is the verb form. Com'prisal is the noun form. Comprise is hardly obscure.

Hahaha You're funny. Don't even try to challenge me in a vocabulary pissin' match.
Here is how you used the word:
If a component of a charger fails it is on the honus of the manufacturer, not the lesser of its comprissal.

Then, you tried to claim you meant com'prisal. (Complete with accent mark and a smart remark.)
Sorry typo Com'prisal I didnt realize I had to be 100% accurate in my punctuation and grammar to speak to you . Would it help if I typed slower ?

The fact is, the word you wanted was "components", but your pride compels you to dig the hole deeper. The noun form with or with out the accent mark makes absolutely no sense in the sentence you wrote. Com'prisal is not even a word. The ' is an accent mark and not part of the word comprisal. So, when you misspelled a word that wasn't even applicable in the context, I think it's understandable that I didn't recognize it. I suspect you didn't know the word "comprisal" either, or you wouldn't have used it in that way, let alone trying to claim that it was "com'prisal", including an accent mark straight from the dictionary.

http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/comprisal/
(n.) The act of comprising or comprehending; a compendium or epitome.

There is no definition of "comprisal" that would make sense in the way you are trying to assert.
Nice try, but never bring a knife to a gun fight. BTW, I'm still curious what baseball has to do with battery chargers.

Yeah they got that way by selling everyone elses junk.
No, they got that way by selling low priced stuff with a defect/failure rate commensurate with low priced stuff.
No product would stay on the market for 10 years if it was "pure crap".
I challenge you to name one product that is objectively "pure crap" that has been consistently on the market for 8-10 years. A lot of products are crappy. But you have to account for their price point before you condemn them as "pure crap".

I gotta ask what hand you had in the design, sale, implementation, importation, distribution or advertising for trustfire chargers. You sure do push hard for them. Or can you not say because then you shouldnt be posting here ?
I have absolutely no connection whatever to any company, trustfire or any other. I'm not pushing anything but truth because I'm sick and tired of seeing people being misled to waste money because of the groundless, hysterical, paranoid and/or uninformed opinions they read on this forum. It's my calling. My way of paying back society.

Alright alright enough playing around i dont wanna keep this up I am done having fun with ya nothing but love for ya Sailorman :D If you are ever gonna be in the Eldersburg MD area hit me up I will buy ya a beer! :p

Ohh....you say that, but you're gonna read this and be compelled to respond. I just know it. Sure, you'll try not to. Maybe you'll walk away from the computer. Maybe you'll stall and try to resist... But, in the end, you'll succumb!!! BWWAHHHahahaha!!

BTW... Got Hockenschorr there?
 
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LOL nah I do want to respond but oddly only about the definition of com'prisal which is waht I intended to type but did not know it had an accent honestly.

I am spending too much time fighting a mental battle over something I honestly dont care that much about.

I let you win and buy you a beer by saying MY CHARGER IS CRAP.

Love ya sailor have a goodnight!
 

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LOL nah I do want to respond but oddly only about the definition of com'prisal which is waht I intended to type but did not know it had an accent honestly.

I am spending too much time fighting a mental battle over something I honestly dont care that much about.

I let you win and buy you a beer by saying MY CHARGER IS CRAP.

Love ya sailor have a goodnight!

There ya' go!! By Jove I think you got it!!

Back atcha and goodnight to you too.

BTW, just to clarify. Comprisal doesn't have an accent. It was just written that way in the dictionary. One way or the other, it doesn't fit what you were trying to say. "Components" is the word you were fishing for.
 
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Holy crap!

This same exact thing happened to me with my trust fire tr001 charger. Severed the chord and everything! I thought I just wasn't paying attention and the chord severed in my bag but after seeing that picture and reading the story that is exactly what happened to mine.

I was wondering how I plugged it in without noticing the chord was severed.

sent from my ice cream sandwiched Samsung fascinate
 
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