Truth About Vaping and Why They Hate Us
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Fine by me, I apologize if you found it offensive, and yes that was a negative way to say it (again, sorry). I will edit that out of my previous post. The fact stays the same though, MANY people will accept what is shown to them on the evening news report as fact when it often is not (or at least not the complete story), it happens with a wide variety of things, not just vaping.
I don't see myself as the "Savior of Vaping" or some smart Alec, know it all, self righteous vaper, far from it. I don't know if that was directed at me, but you are welcome to your own opinion on that or anything else. I talk to a lot of people daily, most are just curious, some making small talk, and some out to SAVE me. I don't preach to them and expect the same.
I would agree with you on us being partially to blame, the best we can do is try to help people understand it better. Unfortunately we are a less visible message among a lot of negative ones. Some people will blindly believe a news reporter over one of us based on the idea that the news said it, so it is true. Some people just really don't give a crap one way or the other, which is fine too.
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I'm not a d-bag...maybe that is why I never had anyone ever come up to me and give me crap about vaping
Yours was the latest one I've seen mention people as sheeple Tol but I've seen it increasingly often from a lot usually from the same posters and it was more against them you were just the straw if you see what I mean so no the self righteous thing wasn't directed personally at you more the usual people that use the term and I should have been more detailed with that. Fact is this was our fight to win and we did a poor job of it and like sore losers on every issue ever we're making the same excuses when the truth is we blew it and we failed to make our case.
Very true but when mainstream media is slamming us mostly, it's a tough fight for sure.
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We are all sheeple, don't fool yourself, just because our point of view is being attacked this time. Think about all the other points that you will be willing to confront just because it the popular thing to hate at the moment.
Sheeple is not necessarily a derogatory term. It is a descriptive term used to describe
the average member of the general public. Granted they are to busy raising children,
paying bills,working and generally going about their lives to pay attention to the subject
of vaping and most everything else in general because it doesn't affect nor concern
them. Not having the inclination nor the time to investigate every single special interest
subject in depth most people rely on snippets and sound bites or water cooler scuttle ....
to fill in the pieces of understanding to get a grip on the large world around them.
Tending to go with the herd as it were. This isn't a bad thing. Its necessary. There is
too much going on to keep track of any other way. We do it too. This doesn't mean they
hate us. It doesn't mean we hate them. It is what it is.
As far as losing the fight is concerned I ask,what fight? Our opponents are not fighting
us. They are ignoring us. The only fight I have really seen is on these forums arguing
about which outrageous form of regulation and control we should or should not capitulate too.
Blaming ourselves because someone had the audacity to vape in public by or near and
sometimes even next to the general public. Remember the general public? I alluded to them earlier.
They're the ones that do not care either way. If the government says it's banned,it's banned.
If the government says it's ok,no bans,then no bans. As long as everyone plays by the same
rules is all the general public cares about. You can't get your point across unless someone
is actually listening.
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Mike
@Rizzyking in reference to your post about not calling people "Sheeple" (which I've never used before now 
). I think most folks use it in a context that they (the aforementioned name) are people who don't try to see anything from some one else's point of view. They believe everything the media tells them and tries at every opportunity to put you as a person down for whatever they think you are doing wrong. Whether you are vaping, voting for this person, believing in this religion, or whatever.
I don't think its quite right and really prefer the name ANTZ as a more acceptable name for them because that is what they are.
). I think most folks use it in a context that they (the aforementioned name) are people who don't try to see anything from some one else's point of view. They believe everything the media tells them and tries at every opportunity to put you as a person down for whatever they think you are doing wrong. Whether you are vaping, voting for this person, believing in this religion, or whatever. I don't think its quite right and really prefer the name ANTZ as a more acceptable name for them because that is what they are.
For the vast majority of the public normal life is hard enough all their energy goes into that and there is little left to dedicate to an activity that is still niche. I've found most members of the public are both open too and supportive of vaping if time is taken to explain it to them something that organised vaping advocate groups have not done. Being honest the organised groups have been pretty poor in getting the message out and interacting with politicians and I have personal experience in just how inept their interactions with politicians can be. There are many special interest groups that have successfully engaged the public and got support behind them it can and has been done many times and the only reason for failing lies with the interest group itself.
Wouldn't be my first time.
Oh, wait... you're talking about vape, aren't you?
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I'm bad, but not 'That' bad..Wouldn't be my first time.
Oh, wait... you're talking about vape, aren't you?
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Must be better on your side of the Pond.
I ave had my days when I wondered if I shouldn't go back to Smoking from the Attacks on my Reckless Behavior, indulging in poisoning myself, Bla, Bla, Bla
However, I understood 2 things. Vaping instead of Smoking was making me Stronger and Healthier......me, a 62yr. old Man(59 at the time) and the garbage they were spewing was directly from Blind Acceptance of Fear Mongering Crap Spread to indoctrinate the weak of mind.
Yes I use the Term.............to those that Blindly Follow False Prophets of Gloom and Doom.
Do I look them in the eye and insult them? No, I take the time to explain away the whitewash with Facts in an attempt to paint a more accurate picture.
A Billion LIES or a Billion LIVES
I was a Sheeple, I can relate
What they hate is vaping is wiping out tobacco. I believe the reason is not health benefits but economic. Smoking a carton a week cost me $3,000 a year. My cost of ingrediants for a year supply of DIY e liquid is 1.2 cents per ml, 8 cents a day, $30 a year. An ounce of gold costs $1,000. An ounce of niccotine derived from cigarette smoke costs $8400. An ounce of pure nicotine in lquid form in those common 1 liter consumer bottles is $14. A liter of 100mg nic costs $50 and has the same amount of nic as the smoke from 5,000 packs of cigarettes. Here in Michigan 5,000 packs of cigarettes would cost around $30,000. In NY City or Chicago it would be $60,000. The people who benefit from tobacco taxes really hate that.
A brother of mine recently went to NY City to visit another brother of ours. He says there are vapers everywhere you look in Manhatten.
A brother of mine recently went to NY City to visit another brother of ours. He says there are vapers everywhere you look in Manhatten.
Tobacco tax is but a tiny part of it.
We call it health care. BS.
If you're healthy, you don't need care.
As a former smoker turned vaper, you're not only NOT generating tobacco taxe income.
You're also guilty of statistically living longer, thus drawing more pension payments.
You're also guilty of - probably - lesser needs for sick care.
Tally it all up.
We're talking trillions, not billions of greenbacks.
Neither the pension funds nor the medical industry had that on the radar.
Patches, gums, cold turkey... As for social and economic impact - them's peashooters.
Vapes .... as to the socio-economic impact, you're talking H -bomb.
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"Medical Organizations supporting Vaping and Electronic cigarettes"
Medical Professionals Support Vaping And Electronic Cigarettes
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Was this on the forum for Landover Baptist Church? If so, that's a satirical website created by a gentleman who was expelled from Liberty University. It's definitely worth spending a few minutes perusing if you're in need of a good chuckle
These videos, in particular the 2nd one, have inspired me to try a bottle of zero nic in my favorite flavor and see how I handle it. I am currently vaping at 12mg with a MTL tank and 6mg when I sub ohm.
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