TV co-op discussion thread

[Burto1945]

I have heard that Geoff at Tasty Vapor did change a couple of recipes to begin using lighter colors (ie different flavorings) in order to combat some of the atty-clogging dark colors. I have no idea when he did this or to which flavors, but that could also be part of the reason why earlier orders are darker...

...I have also heard that the doublers are a slightly different recipe than the nic juices. This is to make the flavors closer to those with nic added. However, I've never ordered a doubler to test/taste the difference.

 

[Katya]

Caramel popcorn is supposed to be orange? Mine is colorless. Looks like pure unflavored PG. Doesn't taste much better, either.

 

[leannebug]

it's possible that this is a "multi" error problem, and therefore, all mixed together *looks* suspicious. (just trying to give all parties the benefit of the doubt!)

Like Burto said: A high probibility is that the juices had not melded or steeped or whatever they do, and therefore (if not shaken good before pouring) different people had different "parts" of the juice. I, very likely got no flavor in my Dulche. Someone else could have gotten "the gooey" parts which could likely contain the flavorings. The lighter juices COULD be higher up on the mixed list, or rather poured first.

I don't know.. pure speculation

As to: Bob's juices being tained with AC and mine with lime.. if any of the transferring was not done with completely fresh tools (in factory or in coop) those oils can easily taint another. Cinnamon oil and lime oil (assuming he uses the oils) does not easily (if ever) wash off. I always throw away my cinnamon utensils, because of that fact.

 

[nightsong]

I've only been vaping for a month (and have only recently joined PIF) so I'm no expert here but I was in co-op 3 and the special custom co-op. I've only recently tried all the co-op 3 flavors as I've learned some need to sit for awhile. There are some flavors I didn't care for but truly believe it is just personal preference (can't vape chocolate - woe is me!) I actually liked the key lime and the only one I had previously ordered a doubler of was butter creme and it tasted/looked very similar to mine.

There was also a posting that the vendor has been switching out his flavorings over to The Perfumer's Apprentice which I believe are lighter in color than Lorann's? I know the Lorann's I bought here locally are pretty dark and I just received a dozen or so flavors from TPA and they are all almost clear and colorless? And as far as that goo in the key lime, I actually noticed that same color/texture in the bottle of maple flavoring I got from TPA?

And this may just be me but it seems when I add a little NIC to my DIY creations, it's almost like a little seasoning for some flavors?

Again, I am no flavor expert but so far I have been pretty happy with the TV co-op's.

 

[leannebug]

Good to know Nightsong! That is all good information, and one of the reasons I think it's SO important to talk about these things. Although we may never know, nor agree, if we don't discuss this, then all we have to go on are our own speculations.
I know that some people don't like to discuss any "problems" or "concerns" and some vendors get defensive, but I really truly do believe it's better to compare and discuss than any other "solution" I have witnessed.

Just my 2c

 

[Elana]

I was a part of co-op 2, regular flavors. I didn't get any goo in any of my bottles but I honestly just didn't care for any of the flavors. I found them to by either bland or overly sweet. I've been letting them "age" since mid-June, no improvement. Even those that were OK were very hard on my cartos.

Just my story, FWIW. I never ordered from TV before because, frankly, there is something about the whole atmosphere at his subforum that makes me feel uncomfortable. The worship of the owner, the owner's diva-like attitude, and the way he talks to people and demands constant adulation and applause, just make me sick, frankly. But what do I know?

Luckily, there are plenty of other vendors who carry better tasting e-liquids and don't behave like they are doing me a favor by letting me buy from them. Just my .

Yeah, like Ms. T's - my new faves come from her! ^_^

I was in co-op 2, but I had no problems with my juice. All tasted okay to me.

Regarding the color, I have a bottle of AC doubler ordered from the company, and it is nearly clear. Just the slightest touch of yellow.

I just got in a bunch of 48mg AC and 100ml of doubler that I bought from another member on this site.

The doubler is very light in color and SMELL when compared to the 48mg AC. The 48mg AC is a very dark orange - almost red - and the cinnamon smell almost takes my breath away when I sniff it. The DOUBLER on the other hand is pale yellow - nearly the color of (excuse my french) piss - and the smell is still cinnamony, but not enough for it to even tickle my nosebuds.

I also have cherry cheesecake 48mg and the doubler and the case is pretty much the same with this.

HOWEVER - the pecan pie 48mg and doubler are almost the same color and smell.

Hope that helps the discussion some.
None of these were purchased directly from TV, but the members that I purchased them from are trustworthy.

 

[jnnfrlsw]

I was in co-op 2 and all my flavors were okay-no gooo. I added nic to some of mine and that made the colors darken. I have ordered banana foster 2and tastyfinger 4mg and the doublers and I think the doublers are just weaker. Also the doublers are both lighter in color. The more nictotine-the darker the juice. I think its the doublers being weaker that are causing the concerns and not the actions of our co-op leader.

 

[zbasspro]

Now why on earth would a DOUBLER be weaker??? i mean why??? dont u think common sense DOUBLER being double.. ppl are goin to put nic in these and make it even weaker.. If this is the case, they need to call it HALFER..really ~Missy

 

[Jules22871]

I was in co-op 2 and all my flavors were okay-no gooo. I added nic to some of mine and that made the colors darken. I have ordered banana foster 2and tastyfinger 4mg and the doublers and I think the doublers are just weaker. Also the doublers are both lighter in color. The more nictotine-the darker the juice. I think its the doublers being weaker that are causing the concerns and not the actions of our co-op leader.

Nicotine is clear so it wouldn't darken liquid. Different brands of flavorings are different colors though and that may be part of the problems that we are seeing.

Example, I make blackberry brandy juice. I normally use LorAnns to make it. Someone recommended Bickfords to me so I bought the flavorings from them. They had not only different colors, but they tasted different when I mixed them. I tasted each individually and they tasted the same as LorAnns but when I mixed them it made the worst tasting liquid I've had to date. So, that is another thing that may be going on, flavors not blending right from a different supplier.

 

[jnnfrlsw]

lol- good point Missy. Maybe its just my damaged taste buds but the doublers I ordered versus the 24mg were weaker in flavor.

 

[nightsong]

TV creates the doublers so you can dilute the 48 mg already flavored juice they sell. It is not intended to be used just to add unflavored nic to it. For example, you can buy a 1 oz FOTW @ 48 mg for $10 and a 2 oz doubler for $10 which you can combine to make 3 oz of 18 mg for $20.

This is from their FAQ on their web page:
Why Do You Call Your Mixing Solutions “Doublers”?
Well, essentially, it is just a name. Some think this implies the amount of flavoring is doubled. No. A Doubler is a 4 ounce bottle of ZERO NICOTINE vaping fluid. While it can be used directly from the bottle as a zero nicotine alternative to nicotine liquids, the primary function is a large bottle of flavored liquid, to mix down high nicotine liquid, without suffering any flavor loss as you might with just diluting with PG or VG.

 

[leannebug]

also, in regard to adding the plain nic; this was done just for the co-ops. The bottles were put into 6ml bottles, with 5mls of liquid, so that nic could be added (without buying the more expensive nic juices) I think it was understood that adding the nic juice may make them weaker, and people were buying higher mg nic (100) so that less had to be added.

 

[zbasspro]

Exactly what we did L'bug.. and the ytell u what MG nic to put in to make what..so in this case it should be stronger, than the juice they sell w/ nic IMO. i am done w/ it. I am out $24...not a big loss....but the thing that bothers me the most is it was when we were new, and out alot of $$ and i was super excited to try 20 FLAVORS for that $$, but i didnt get what i was expecting.. and to clarify i tasted them all before adding nic..and let them sit for at least a week and tasted them again. and then i questioned the weakness/ flavor and was told that nic can bring out flavors of juice, so went on and added 100mg nic. still weaker flavor, but i am done!
Missy

 

[leannebug]

I think the confusion about adding nic/using doublers etc is: the co-op was saying add 100mg to get some nic. I think that TV says to use the full strength with the doublers to get nic. That's all.

However, even w or w/o all this speculation, and no matter if something fishy was going on, or mistakes were made or not.. I have to agree with what you've said.

Personally I don't plan on participating in a liquid co-op again. I think there are too many questions that can't be answered, and too many things that could go wrong. I agree with a few comments made further back about vendors (won't go into THAT here) but as for liquid co-ops, I think it's just too risky, there are too many variables and I don't want to risk that.

Shelling out 25 bucks will have to be chaulked up to a lesson learned, but it's not the same as PIFing something and possibly getting one or two juices that you may not like.

 

[Jules22871]

Personally, if the subject came up in here about a liquid co-op the only way I would vote for it is if it was for whole unopened bottles, you know, bulk discount kind of thing. There are just too many things that can go wrong with splitting a bottle of liquid up, especially that many of them.

 

[leannebug]

OK>

I shook up my last TV bottle (the Cherry Coke, the dark one, that tasted better TO ME) and poured it out on a napkin, twice. No goo. It was very dark, thick, and I could really smell the coke flavoring.

 

[Adja]

Reading over the postings, it occurs to me that I did one thing that was different than what other people tried with their doublers. With the ones that I liked, and wanted to add nic to, I didn't add plain nic. I added a complimentary flavor. Example, to the Key Lime, I added some 36mg lemon that was too strong and tart by itself. I ended up with a wonderful mix that I love. I mixed 36mg Coconut with the German Chocolate Cake, and I love that one too. Same with the Strawberry Cheesecake - I added plain DK strawberry that was too strong by itself.

Just a suggestion for anyone who still has some of these and doesn't know what to do with them.

 

[zbasspro]

That is a good idea Adja!!

 

[tranced]

I participated in co-op #2. Most of the flavors were fairly clear. All of them that I tried tasted very weak AT FIRST. The ones I have left taste pretty good now, and not nearly as weak as at first. Why it took so long for the flavors to congeal/mix/set/whatever, I dunno. I dunno how much of that 'profit' the co-op chickie would have leftover after paying all the paypal fees, printing supplies, ink and whatnot but I considered it a great way to try a bunch of juice cheap and was happy I did. Hopefully the people that were in co-op #3 get the same experience with the flavors congealing in time and they didn't get f'd. Time'll tell. I don't think the co-op chick is out to screw over anyone. Seems like there are a million easier ways than a liquid co-op to take advantage of people's trust.

Did anyone manage to get some boston cream pie flavor they'd be willing to send me a ml or two of? Been wanting to try that but not enough to place an order.

 

[jynxtheclown]

i dunno what compare them to i usually smoke 100% vg so i gguess i'm used to less taste