FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule

[oplholik]

I'm with you 2coils, I never paid too much attention to politics, and what the gov't. was doing until I started vaping, boy what a rude awakening, and eye opener.

 

[v3nom151]

Unfortunately, my inside sources show that FDA will declare "Emergency Action" effective the 1st quarter of next year, imposing all the new basic regulations for vaping. Therefore, it will not matter if we have 1 million signatures on that petition, they will do as they please. The basic regulation of the liquids itself comes down to Ph balance, approved and registered flavoring (definitely not Capellas, TFA, Flavor West), nicotine content, and the number of different flavors used in a certain blend. All other regulations may not become active on the first quarter, but the liquid will be regulated on this date. There's simply too much to write in this reply but, we need to prepare for the game to change drastically. Think 80PG/20VG.

 

[nicnik]

Unfortunately, my inside sources show that FDA will declare "Emergency Action" effective the 1st quarter of next year, imposing all the new basic regulations for vaping. Therefore, it will not matter if we have 1 million signatures on that petition, they will do as they please. The basic regulation of the liquids itself comes down to Ph balance, approved and registered flavoring (definitely not Capellas, TFA, Flavor West), nicotine content, and the number of different flavors used in a certain blend. All other regulations may not become active on the first quarter, but the liquid will be regulated on this date. There's simply too much to write in this reply but, we need to prepare for the game to change drastically. Think 80PG/20VG.

How are your inside sources getting their information? Also, concerning PH, will the supposed regulations favor lower or higher PH?

 

[zoiDman]

It has become more and more apparent that WE HAVE LOST OUR COUNTRY. I am not sure exactly when this happened, but it did. Reading this thread is a reminder of this. We are sitting here discussing how our government is going to handle the vaping industry for us. They have their hands in everything now. So much for the American Dream.

Nothing was Lost. It was Given Away.

This Forum can get 100,000's of Posts for a TC Mod Give-Away, but we have to Struggle to get 3,500 People to send in a Comment to the FDA during a Comment Period.

Lots of People Don't Care. Don't Know. Or Don't think there is Anything to Worry about.

Some even say that Trying to Do Something is a Waste of Time. So we Shouldn't do it. Heck, I read a Post Today about how Voting Doesn't Matter.

Were Not Fighting the FDA Anymore. Were Fighting to get the 95% who Do Nothing to do Something. Anything.

I Fight, and Continue to Fight, because I have a Bad Habit when I Close my Eyes at Night of Wondering what the World would be Like if the People actually were Involved? Not just those who are Supposed to Represent Us.

And do I want to be like the 95 who sit on the Sidelines and Whine about things? Or do I want to Step Inline and Try to Make a Difference?

 

[Kent C]

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." (misattributed to Jefferson but consistent with his views. )

 

[v3nom151]

This comes directly from FDA lawyers. Those who represent the FDA and the laboratories that help determine what should and should not be in e-liquid. They are going to favor a higher Ph balance to help reduce the deterioration of the attys and wire we use. This will also limit what type of flavors are manufactured. There is a small section about "Only Simple Flavors", which hasn't been explained or talked about yet.

 

[nicnik]

They are going to favor a higher Ph balance to help reduce the deterioration of the attys and wire we use.

Well, if that's true, PaxLabs' JUUL is in trouble, along with its big investors...

 

[2coils]

Nothing was Lost. It was Given Away.

This Forum can get 100,000's of Posts for a TC Mod Give-Away, but we have to Struggle to get 3,500 People to send in a Comment to the FDA during a Comment Period.

Lots of People Don't Care. Don't Know. Or Don't think there is Anything to Worry about.

Some even say that Trying to Do Something is a Waste of Time. So we Shouldn't do it. Heck, I read a Post Today about how Voting Doesn't Matter.

Were Not Fighting the FDA Anymore. Were Fighting to get the 95% who Do Nothing to do Something. Anything.

I Fight, and Continue to Fight, because I have a Bad Habit when I Close my Eyes at Night of Wondering what the World would be Like if the People actually were Involved? Not just those who are Supposed to Represent Us.

And do I want to be like the 95 who sit on the Sidelines and Whine about things? Or do I want to Step Inline and Try to Make a Difference?

Well said. There is a complacency among citizens (not just vapers). It HAS been given away. I just wonder what it will take for people to understand, this kind of micro-management is no good for personal freedom.

 

[nicnik]

This comes directly from FDA lawyers.

A huge problem caused by the secrecy of the process. Leaked information, and the advantages for those privilidged to be informed over those who aren't. Sure makes the market unfair.

 

[v3nom151]

I haven't really looked into the JUUL. Would you like to elaborate?

 

[nicnik]

I haven't really looked into the JUUL. Would you like to elaborate?

They add benzoic acid to lower the PH.

 

[v3nom151]

It definitely is nicnik. And as time goes on, more information will be released. I decided to post something to let the people know that the information will be available soon as long as you are still checking periodically. It wont be blasted on the 1st page on google, but may come as something small like my earlier post.

 

[v3nom151]

They add benzoic acid to lower the PH.

Ah, I see.

 

[zoiDman]

Well said. There is a complacency among citizens (not just vapers). It HAS been given away. I just wonder what it will take for people to understand, this kind of micro-management is no good for personal freedom.

I think What it will take is for Someone to Lose Something that they held in High Importance.

Unfortunately, that Something, in this case, Doesn't have a Very Viable Alternative if Lost. At least it Doesn't to Most People.

 

[Stubby]

This comes directly from FDA lawyers. Those who represent the FDA and the laboratories that help determine what should and should not be in e-liquid. They are going to favor a higher Ph balance to help reduce the deterioration of the attys and wire we use.

I have to call you out on this. I have followed this closely and have never heard anything about the PH balance coming out of the FDA. This would be completely out of the blue and is highly unlikely. I would have to say your inside track to FDA lawyers sounds bogus at best.

 

[zoiDman]

I posted this way, Way Back in this thread...

BTW - TPSAC is a Body that seems to operate kinda Below the Radar when it comes to Most of these Discussions.

Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee

Wonder if TPSAC ever considered the pH levels in e-Liquids. And the Role it May or May Not play in things.

BTW - Not to make it Sound like I putting a Slam on Cloud Chasers, I'm Not. But if someone Didn't like the Concept or the Visual Perception of Cloud Chasing, how would someone go about Limiting it?

 

[nicnik]

I have to call you out on this. I have followed this closely and have never heard anything about the PH balance coming out of the FDA. This would be completely out of the blue and is highly unlikely. I would have to say your inside track to FDA lawyers sounds bogus at best.

An important consideration is that sometimes leaks are false information intended to mislead some investors, while the correct info is leaked to favored participants in an industry and investors.

 

[Lessifer]

I posted this way, Way Back in this thread...



Wonder if TPSAC ever considered the pH levels in e-Liquids. And the Role it May or May Not play in things.

BTW - Not to make it Sound like I putting a Slam on Cloud Chasers, I'm Not. But if someone Didn't like the Concept or the Visual Perception of Cloud Chasing, how would someone go about Limiting it?

ban cold weather and/or humidity?

 

[v3nom151]

I have to call you out on this. I have followed this closely and have never heard anything about the PH balance coming out of the FDA. This would be completely out of the blue and is highly unlikely. I would have to say your inside track to FDA lawyers sounds bogus at best.

Ok. I understand why this may sound strange to you. They may not have officially released this information yet, but think about it. E-liquid will be used in a wide variety of devices. Citrus flavors and anything with a low Ph are essentially a form of acid. Vaporizing this low Ph solution eats away at the metals our atomizers are machined from. It will also affects the heating elements of the device (coils). So, we are then inhaling metal particles from our coils and atomizers, which definitely isn't good. Now the question is, why wouldn't the FDA want to regulate the Ph of our e-liquid? If we are to trust e-liquid companies to make a SAFE alternative, I would hope they would take this into consideration.

As far as the FDA lawyers, we used them recently to analyze marketing and product risk with a friends new juice company. This was covered as one of the topics being discussed within the bowels of the FDA beast.

 

[snork]

Vaporizing this low Ph solutions eats away at the metals our atomizers are machined from. It will also affects the heating elements of the device (coils). So, we are then inhaling metal particles from our coils and atomizers, which definitely isn't good.

I'm sorry, but that's absolutely preposterous.