Ugh, Green Smoke got me!!!

[Rin]

Can't comment on the 510s, but I recently got a Vapor King from V4L (Kr808D-1 manual) and am really satisfied with it.

I vape about 3mL/day atm. Each battery fully charged seems to last around 3-4hr, or about 1-1.5 cartos. Charging is pretty quick as well (about 3hr to charge the battery from dead to full), so I've been just swapping batteries back and forth, one vaping and one charging.

Hope that helps with any 808 info ya needed =)

 

[BonesAnderson]

Rin I just got my new XL batteries from V4l and they have out lasted my old batteries hands down. They might be longer but they also last longer so I don't have to change out batteries a lot now. You might want to check these out if you like.

 

[TrashcanCandy]

I would also recommend a Vapor4Life model. They're only two pieces instead of having to worry about an atty. I have an auto XL, and it's my first PV. I bought it after borrowing my friend's and loving it. Haven't touched a Camel since.

 

[xntrik56]

I saw a posting that says, "If you want to try both (the Joye 510 and VK/808) I wold recommend that you buy a Kr8 kit, get a Kr8 to 510 adapter, a 510 atty, and some 510 cartridges. My reasoning is simple...the Kr8 battery lasts longer and puts out a slightly higher voltage". The only thing about this suggestion is I've read that 510 carts use a lot of liquid. Any comments on this one?

 

[xntrik56]

TrashcanCandy....how do you find the draw/pull on the auto XL? I'm asking because I'd prefer not to have to press a button each time I vape. Is there any cutoff or restriction when pulling on it? Does the auto battery ever start on its own or discharge when not used? I don't know if anybody sells a starter kit with one manual and one auto, so one can try both if they want.

 

[emb]

Here is what I learned talking on the phone with Green Smoke this morning:
First, if you don't know Green Smoke uses two companies for their cartridges. One company is based in the USA all their cartridges from the USA company have a gold ring around them. The second company is based in China, their cartridges do not have a gold ring around them. That is how you tell them apart.

I had a real problem with the tobacco flavored cartridges they changed flavor from a wonderful taste to a lousy taste - both the good and bad tasting ones were from the American company and I found out they had changed the formula trying to improve it (this wasn't the first time they changed the flavor trying to improve it either).

I also learned today that Green Smoke is ending their sells of the American made cartridges so once they sell off all the American made ones there won't be any more American made cartridges.

Honestly I did like the American ones - there one formula of Tobacco was wonderful, the best I ever had and the Tobacco M flavor was okay. They have a great Vanilla, a fair Coffee flavor and the Strawberry tasted just like Strawberry - I actually do like the American ones but their consistency and changes in formula I guess was too much for Green Smoke to keep them on.

I have tried the China Tobacco - it is pretty different, I think it will be okay for me I just have to adjust to it, we will see. The China Vanilla flavor to me tasted too much like perfume and other odd things, the China coffee flavored tasted like a mix of burnt toast and burnt coffee. I still have the Strawberry, Tobacco M and Chocolate flavors to try from the China company before making my final conclusions.

I hope that might help some folks out.

 

[Automaton]

Sweetie, check the mg strength again. '8' is considered very low. When I smoked analogs they were Capri Ultra Light 120s so I ordered everything low and they are horrible. If you can, return or swap for at least 24 mg if you are looking for stronger nicotine. I'm not sure but in some cases, the strength of the nicotine seems to equal strength of flavor. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong because I am a newbie, too.

Personally, I wouldn't aim that high. I smoked full-flavor rollies, Lucky Strikes, and Pall Malls, sometimes filterless, and at least 30 a day. And 24mg is too high for me. I max out at 18mg.

OP - Keep it simple. Get a genuine Joye 510 or eGo kit from a trusted vendor. I've dealt with ElectroNicStix, GoodProphets, and MyFreedomSmokes - they all sell 510 stuff and are great. I also hear great things about CigNot.

They have good deals. They're trusted vendors. They sell the original 510 stuff. Just stick with that, and you won't be disappointed.

 

[emb]

Personally, I wouldn't aim that high. I smoked full-flavor rollies, Lucky Strikes, and Pall Malls, sometimes filterless, and at least 30 a day. And 24mg is too high for me. I max out at 18mg.

I have to agree with you, at least for me. I smoke Camel filters, one pack a day for 35 years. When I started at Green Smoke I started with 8mg, it was fine. Then when I got my first Vapor King I decided to try a 24mg one, that about killed me. I found 11mg was as high as I could go, but that is't what I want (as high as I can go). I am happy with 8mg and I am now down to 6mg.

Several things to keep in mind: In a regular cig, a certain % of nicotime is burnt off that you never actually get. In a pack of Camels I believe the total is 36mg of nicotine. If I go through two cartidges of 8mg/day that is 16mg and I am guessing but about 50% of the nicotine is burnt off regular cig's before you inhale it (so I am close to what I use to get from what I can tell). So keep in mind what is lost in a burning cig and also how many cart's you will go through in a day. Hope that might help, I am sure everyone is different.

 

[Kubi]

If you really want a juice that is close to an analog (and remember taste is subjective) try dome DIY, bluemistvaping has a tobacco absolute for diy that is spot on IMO

And most people got suckered into a cheap knock off or crappy generic the first time lol

Thanks for the advice.

 

[xntrik56]

Hey Rin and Bones - about the Vapor King, I have no clue as to how/where to drip the ejuice! Also I'm not sure if the VK is a 2 or 3-part ecig. Are there any videos on dripping anywhere for ...... like me? I'm leaning toward trying an automatic VK some time in the near decade.

 

[xntrik56]

So I finally made it to see Jack of Happy Vaper - didn't even know he was local, turns out he is at Dr. Flea's in Toronto on the
weekends. So I compared (tried) the 510 vs. the Ego, and bought the Ego. Got a nice red one with matte finish, which I find feels great and has a grip effect too. I picked up two low-resistance atomizers as I tried the reg and low, and there was definitely a better TH with these.

By the way, while I was there I met some other customers who gave me a fantastic pamphlet on the "Facts of Electronic Cigarettes". The pamphlet is produced by www.casaa.org, "The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association", which gives the facts to support that e-cigs are NOT dangerous in any way! So if you get cynical comments, have some of these brochures handy to pass out to all those skeptics who don't know the facts!

Now I'm off to find some nic ejuice. I am thinking of trying an 80 PG/20 VG mix, does anybody know of a site that can custom mix, rather than just 100% VG or PG?

 

[sam12six]

I would also recommend a Vapor4Life model. They're only two pieces instead of having to worry about an atty. I have an auto XL, and it's my first PV. I bought it after borrowing my friend's and loving it. Haven't touched a Camel since.

Good for you. Zookeepers and Caravan Masters alike tend to frown on people touching the camels.

 

[RedForeman]

I have to agree with you, at least for me. I smoke Camel filters, one pack a day for 35 years. When I started at Green Smoke I started with 8mg, it was fine. Then when I got my first Vapor King I decided to try a 24mg one, that about killed me. I found 11mg was as high as I could go, but that is't what I want (as high as I can go). I am happy with 8mg and I am now down to 6mg.

Just proves everyones tolerance for nic is different. Same brand and amount of cigarettes for me, but 5 less years with the habit. I got 12mg with my starter kit and that cut me back to half the analogs. I went to 24mg and that got me down to 5-6 a day. On 36mg now for a little over a week and went down to 2-4 a day. But nic level isn't necessarily the total answer...

The weird (good) thing is that I was on a business trip last week and on the last day Friday I smoked a couple more analogs than usual. No reason in particular, I just did. Had one yesterday morning then opened a new package from fsusa that came in while I was out of town. I haven't had another analog since and that was 36 hours ago. Normally I'd be jumping out of my skin right about now. I've thought about it but just haven't wanted one bad enough and to get one and head outside. The only difference is the 36mg juice I was using last week was 100% PG. The new order was 50/50 PG/VG. I have other fsusa juice, but it's 24mg 100% VG.

Will I stay quit from analogs? Time will tell and I'm not stressing over it. I'll have one if I want it. Maybe the 50/50 mix was the trick. Or maybe it was just time for me to go 100% vaping. Just proves everyone will need something a little different.

 

[xntrik56]

Hey Red, you're the first posting I've seen going up in nic and not down. I thought most people decrease as they want to wean onto
lower nic levels, no? Then again, is it that you're getting more nic so feel the need to smoke less? My main issue now is getting
the right ratio of VG/PG. I was recommended to use 80VG/20PG for decent TH and vapour. There's a taste I didn't like in
someone's RY4, I think it may be the PG I'm sensitive to smell/taste-wise, but I'm thinking with 20% and flavouring I probably
won't taste or smell it. I'll be looking for nic juices at around 18mg, did find one site that has the American Spirit (blue) flavour.
I will keep the 50/50 mix in mind also, and congrats on staying off the analogs, it probably IS the 50/50 mix giving you more
punch and vapour.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I got taken in by Green Smokes and absolutely hated the tobacco carts, too! They tasted like burned cardboard to me. Thankfully, I got some other flavors that were much better. I can't say that I'm entirely dissatisfied with Green Smokes. I could kick myself for spending the amount of money that I did, but because of this board, I know where to buy much cheaper replacements parts, and how to save even more money by refilling the cartomizers. I don't see it as a complete loss, but it was an expensive lesson learned.

 

[RedForeman]

Hey Red, you're the first posting I've seen going up in nic and not down. I thought most people decrease as they want to wean onto
lower nic levels, no? Then again, is it that you're getting more nic so feel the need to smoke less?

The latter is accurate. I've seen a number of other "hard cases" like myself so it isn't exactly rare. Eventually I'll work back down on nic level, but fighting that battle another day

I have also noticed a "chemical" taste to PG based liquids. I tried the 50/50 to get the thinner, better wicking with a reduction of that taste. It's a lot better than it was with 100% PG, but still there. I ordered some drip tips today to try out sometime next week when they get in. I'll probably use 100% VG with those where it's convenient to drip, and use the PG blend in my cartos for portability at the expense of a slightly less satisfying vape.

 

[xntrik56]

Hi Woman, yes, the tobacco taste was nasty imho. When I called to ship back, the rep said they have less than 1% returns,
which I found hard to believe. But this forum is great, also refilling the carts is a good idea since you can control what you vape and
the taste! I have two packs of the Green Smoke carts sitting here (8mg tobacco), can't even get $10 for the two packs, lol.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

They may claim that less than 1% return their orders, but I have to wonder how many repeat customers they have? I'm not sure if I'll be returning my kit. We'll see once I get my eGo, but I won't be ordering from their site again.

 

[xntrik56]

The latter is accurate. I've seen a number of other "hard cases" like myself so it isn't exactly rare. Eventually I'll work back down on nic level, but fighting that battle another day

I have also noticed a "chemical" taste to PG based liquids. I tried the 50/50 to get the thinner, better wicking with a reduction of that taste. It's a lot better than it was with 100% PG, but still there. I ordered some drip tips today to try out sometime next week when they get in. I'll probably use 100% VG with those where it's convenient to drip, and use the PG blend in my cartos for portability at the expense of a slightly less satisfying vape.

Yeah, I think it's the PG smell and taste I am picking up and not liking. I spent 2 months doing research, finally got an Ego from HV a week ago, and still haven't ordered any nic juice as I'm daunted as to PG vs VG, and someone, as I said, recommended 80VG/20PG, though I guess I'll have to try them to know, maybe a 50/50....and I thought the juice would be the easiest part, haha.

 

[xntrik56]

They may claim that less than 1% return their orders, but I have to wonder how many repeat customers they have? I'm not sure if I'll be returning my kit. We'll see once I get my eGo, but I won't be ordering from their site again.

That's a good point. I'm sure there is a substantial % of people who just can't be bothered to ship it back and write it off as a loss. But there isn't a human alive who hasn't lost money on unsatisfactory products, but at least you're here in a good place to learn and make changes as you go. Btw, I've tried to post in the ejuice forum but guess I need a certain amount of posts b4 I can post there?