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UK E-cig study lab results.

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  1. Kaston

    Kaston Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 14, 2008
    Texas, USA
    Results are in! E-juice is safer than analog smoke!

    Thanks to Trumpy Bloke for combing over the study. Here is his summarization:

    • it is confirmation that compared to regular cigarettes e-smoking is far safer
    • it confirms the ingredients apart from nicotine are classified as unknown or harmless
    • it does however suggest PG be replaced by glycerol for maximum safety
    • it is actually 4 different studies on the 4 different Gamucci liquids
    • The Lab specifically mentions it is a "much safer alternative" and the unknowns are flavorings in very small amounts
    From the actual study:

    "On balance, the Gamucci Ltd ‘Regular’ nicotine solution appears to offer a much safer alternative to
    the traditional cigarette.

    Using this nicotine solution, the artificial smoke generated by the Electronic Cigarette does not appear
    to contain the toxic cocktail of toxic carcinogenic compounds found in traditional tobacco smoke.
    Some 600+ chemicals have been identified in traditional tobacco smoke, of which many are

    The primary aerosol forming solvent (Propylene Glycol) used in the preparation of the nicotine
    solution is listed as a suspected respiratory toxicant. should look at changing the aerosol forming
    solvent from the suspected respiratory toxicant ‘Propylene Glycol’, to an even safer solvent such as
  2. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    That's a toxicology report from the same lab as tested the Wicked eliquid. It says much the same thing.
  3. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    This e-smoker will stick with PG-based liquids. More study. More potential benefits. Glycerol is fine, and probably safe, but I prefer the decades of PG studies. With H1N1 .. I want my PG.
  4. Kaston

    Kaston Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 14, 2008
    Texas, USA
    The more tests with the same results just make our claim stronger.
  5. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yes, that's right, thanks for posting it Kaston.

    It's a pity it's Gamucci and not one of the more popular brands that was tested. They'll all have to have this done eventually I hope.
  6. Kaston

    Kaston Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 14, 2008
    Texas, USA
    NP my google reader spider found it.

    I am guessing it will end up like most businesses that go corporate, a few big dogs and the rest ran out of business =(
  7. Nicotine

    Nicotine Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 25, 2009
    Do you have a source for this "UK E-cig study lab report"?
  8. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
  9. galaxywd

    galaxywd Unregistered Supplier

    Apr 4, 2009
    That's another press release we put out ;-) . Great news huh guys?

    Gamucci provided us the research first hand so we distributed it in a NATION WIDE PRESS and now we have more EVIDENCE to PROVE that this is SAFER than cigarettes. Keep up the TEAMWORK guys. We will win this if we all pitch in. We owe it all to Gamucci for providing us the research documents, the lab study is NOT a cheap one I can tell you that much. There is now only 2 real studies in existence and this one covers all cartridge strengths that they produce.
  10. smokindeuce

    smokindeuce Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Sep 22, 2008
    In all fairness, this is another good move in the right direction so well done to Gamucci for following the lead of others. :)

    But remember this is still a far cry from clinical trials.... all this report really confirms to me is that the ingredients stated as being in their bottles of liquid are correct pertaining to the specific batch they sent to the lab for testing.

    This report is an identical copy of the TW report which as positive as it may seem, still does not confirm that the repeated daily use of a 'suspected respiratory toxicant' is not without harm.

    The confirmation by LPD laboratory services that their liquid 'appears to offer a much safer alternative to the traditional cigarette.' is however vaguely comforting. :)
  11. westcoast2

    westcoast2 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 5, 2009
    London, UK
    UK Position on e-cigs

    From the HOC (hansard)
    e-CigarettesAll Written Answers on 21 Apr 2009
    « Previous answer Next answer »

    John Leech (Manchester, Withington, Liberal Democrat) | Hansard source

    To ask the Secretary of State for Health what guidance his Department has issued on the legality of the use of e-cigarettes in enclosed public spaces.

    Dawn Primarolo (Minister of State (Public Health), Department of Health; Bristol South, Labour) | Hansard source

    The Department has not issued any guidance on the legality of the use of e-cigarettes in enclosed public spaces.

    The Department has commissioned research through the local authorities coordinators of regulatory services (LACORS) to test e-cigarettes to see if they comply with the law. This scientific research has found these contain toxic levels of nicotine and that none of the products tested to date comply with product safety regulations. Local Authority Trading Standards Departments have accordingly been informed.

    The four products that: have been tested so far did not contain tobacco. However, there are many different e-cigarette products on the UK market, which function in different ways and some products may contain tobacco. Therefore it cannot be assumed that all e-cigarettes can be used legally in smokefree premises.

    Local authorities enforce the product safety regulations and the Government are working with them to protect the public from the dangers of e-cigarettes that contain toxic levels of nicotine.

    E-cigarettes should not be sold as an aid to quitting smoking without authorisation from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.

    h/t nico f2c


    From reading elsewhere it seems LACORS got their calculations wrong, but they do have influence and Dawn Primandproper quotes them about the 'toxic levels'. So far it seems labeling has been the issue. She does raise the 'toxic' scare though this also seems to be countered by the recent tests on ejuices and the apparently lower levels of nicotine in the juice than LACORS suggested.
  12. igetcha

    igetcha Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2008
    i wonder if that is the reason why intellicig chose to make their juice from glycerol rather than PG?

    the report is definitely good news even if it is the same as TW's. i cant help but think that in 10 years time we might have all grown an extra head or something though! lol
  13. Caesarea

    Caesarea Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Mar 12, 2009
    Thanks very much, westcoast2.


    I really appreciate getting to read any UK legislative news like this.

    Hope you can keep an eye on any further developments.

  14. Tom09

    Tom09 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2009
    Just a note, it appears as if there might be some misunderstanding of the numbers obtained by GC-MS measurements of the liquid samples.
    The presented LPD laboratory report gives qualitative data, only indicating the presence of certain chemical compounds in the analyzed liquid samples. The data is not quantitative, does not give the absolute amounts, and the tabulated values of ‘nominal area percentage’ do not correspond to actual concentrations in percentage by weight (or by volume, which would be practically be the same in our case).

    Remind, therefore, that these tests results would not have much meaning in an attempt to counter LACORS’ nicotine claims. The LACORS press release (www . defeats itself by its own numbers, anyway. It’s sure a bit disturbing that ‘toxic scare’ and the sloppy ‘analysis’ could represent the basis of authority’s decisions.
    Good news, labeling and child-proofing issues are nothing to endanger the general availability of e-cigarettes. As it stands, UK is the master back-up for the availability of e-cigs in Europe. Thanks for that!
  15. Tom09

    Tom09 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2009
    Positive, that more chemical analyses have been done and made available. Remains to hope that such small steps may motivate the main manufacturers for product testing and actual quality monitoring.

    In terms of consumer safety, however, the presented LPD toxicology report is of limited value. One of the aspects to bear in mind, is the limitation of the analytical method. The undertaken qualitativeGC-MS analyses confirmed the presence of some major chemical compounds in the analyzed fluid samples. Relatively high detection limits, however, reduced the technique's applicability to answer the ‘what is in the fluid’ question (to a certain degree). For example, the tabulated results for the sample Tobacco Flavour Light (11 mg nicicotine strength) read: 1. Propylene Glycol, 2. Nicotine, 3. Glycerin, (Sum = 100.00% Nominal Area). Only three incredients? Certainly not. Components of the flavoring essence (as well as possible by-products of the main constituents) have not been detected and are flyíng below the radar.

    Keep in perspective, there is still a long way to go.
  16. lachesis

    lachesis Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 30, 2009
    NJ, USA
    Just out of curiosity... is this study on the liquid or vapor itself? I hope it's the latter - as it's not the liquid that we enhale/ingest - but the vapor form...
  17. Tom09

    Tom09 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2009
    Report states liquid extracted from cartridges, syringe used in the extraction procedure.
  18. CalPilot89

    CalPilot89 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2008
    Cleveland Ohio
    Congrats on 6000 posts Kate.
  19. playerags

    playerags Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 10, 2009
    Brussels, Wisconsin
    Right now is a great time to be a vaporer. It seems from the point we are at it can only go two ways. And I don't know which is worse.

    Direction one- It gains approval from the FDA and government sets THEIR regulations and taxes. We then get to continue vaping at our leisure but at 5 times the price we are paying now.

    Direction two- The fda sides with tobacco companies and big pharm to make e-cigs illegal. Therefore we must continue to buy our stuff online and probably at about 2 times the price. I think I would prefer the second one.

    Remember, weed is illegal too.

    I suppose there is a third route where it becomes legal and therefore we start manufacturing our own more reliable devices and juices here in the United States at a better, more competitive price. But that's just being naive.
  20. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    Thanks Cal, I hadn't noticed :)
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