Really. I can't even imagine how it might benefit the community, and I'm good at making stuff up.
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Oh for goodness sake! This is just scaremongering and ignorance. The telegraph has just done an article on this which I'll be complaining about after writing this. The man died in 2010 from lipoid pneumonia – doctors apparently believe caused by oil from an e-cigarette. If he was vaping oil then yes, probably the cause. Quote from article
“A post-mortem report said: “It was thought that he may have developed lipoid pneumonia from the inhalation of oil-blended concentrated nicotine from the device.”
And if he was vaping oil, then the issue is not vaping - it's eliquid contaminated with oil. In the same article they talk about 200 cases in UK linked to vaping (over 5 years) – these are not illnesses proven to be caused by vaping, these are cases where vaping was linked. I have a heart attack, I vape – there is a link. Does it mean the heart attack was caused by vaping – no, it doesn't. (Plus, for comparison – over 200 deaths a day in the UK from smoking).
And for future reference, there is another UK (bmj) case from 2016 where a young woman had vegetable glycerine linked to her lipoid pneumonia/ lung damage (which will no doubt be referred to soon in the press - if it hasn't been already). Again, vg is an alcohol – impossible for it to cause lipoid pneumonia - unless it's been contaminated in some way.
The UK has a press that are as happy to write unresearched, ignorant articles about the negatives of vaping as elsewhere.
“A post-mortem report said: “It was thought that he may have developed lipoid pneumonia from the inhalation of oil-blended concentrated nicotine from the device.”
And if he was vaping oil, then the issue is not vaping - it's eliquid contaminated with oil. In the same article they talk about 200 cases in UK linked to vaping (over 5 years) – these are not illnesses proven to be caused by vaping, these are cases where vaping was linked. I have a heart attack, I vape – there is a link. Does it mean the heart attack was caused by vaping – no, it doesn't. (Plus, for comparison – over 200 deaths a day in the UK from smoking).
And for future reference, there is another UK (bmj) case from 2016 where a young woman had vegetable glycerine linked to her lipoid pneumonia/ lung damage (which will no doubt be referred to soon in the press - if it hasn't been already). Again, vg is an alcohol – impossible for it to cause lipoid pneumonia - unless it's been contaminated in some way.
The UK has a press that are as happy to write unresearched, ignorant articles about the negatives of vaping as elsewhere.
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It's so sad. There was another case of a woman diagnosed with lipoid pneumonia in Spain... Same BS.
first death from e-cigs!??
Dr. Farsalinos:
"Doctors, open your textbooks: glycerol CANNOT cause lipoid pneumonia (but other things can)"
Having said that, we had a fair share of threads asking if it's OK to use olive oil (or some other oil) instead of VG--I'm not going to link them here as they were all moved promptly to the Non-Advisable subforum...
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Everything will be blamed on "vaping" from now on, it seems.
Meanwhile about 750 people died from smoking in the U.S. between now and when this thread was posted.
And just a measly 4.3 million people in the US died from smoking since 2010
Headline: British factory worker creates Honey Cut died 10 years ago. There fixed it for you.
E-cigarettes are supposed to be safer than smoking yet they are being blamed for deaths | Daily Mail Online
Widow who fears vaping helped kill her husband calls for new inquest | Metro News
Too bad we can't get a detailed analyses of the e-Juice; sounds like it was contaminated with essential oils and/ or crude glycerine. Or, his workplace (eg, car mechanics) was the source of exogenous oil inhalation.
The 57-year-old from Gateshead swapped his 20-a-day smoking habit for e-cigarettes — hailed by UK health officials and anti-smoking campaigners as the safer alternative — only to die of the lung disease lipoid pneumonia (when fat particles enter the lungs) eight months later.
Widow who fears vaping helped kill her husband calls for new inquest | Metro News
A post-mortem report said Terry ‘may have developed lipoid pneumonia from the inhalation of oil-blended concentrated nicotine’ from his e-cigarette.
Too bad we can't get a detailed analyses of the e-Juice; sounds like it was contaminated with essential oils and/ or crude glycerine. Or, his workplace (eg, car mechanics) was the source of exogenous oil inhalation.
This is the key. Lipoid pneumonia cases will likely be dug-up all over the world. Some will be vaping-related, others will be coincidental. Imagine a busker that vapes ...
Early signs of vaping health risks around the world were missed or ignored
In 2011, a 42-year-old woman arrived at Legacy Good Samaritan Medical Center in Portland, Ore., with breathing problems, cough and a fever. Hazy white patches resembling ground glass covered about a third of her lungs on chest scans, suggesting extensive inflammation. Strange fat deposits clotted her lungs’ immune cells. After ruling everything else out, pulmonologists concluded she had a form of pneumonia more commonly seen in carnival-show fire breathers or people who have inhaled mineral oil.
Here is an example of Internet lunacy that will give you lipoid pneumonia ... DIY essential oils from coffee. Other people are using essential oils from peppermint, spearmint, etc...
Downplaying the crisis will not solve this crisis. Suppression will only create more interest. Nicotine and vaping is involved. You have to meet it head-on and surface the information ... eg, what will give you lipoid pneumonia and what won't.
Sure. The point is that IT IS NOT NICOTINE E-LIQUID. You lump them all together in your thread titles, which makes it appear otherwise to people scanning titles. I'm sure you know this.
Then show the ones that have been proven to be nicotine and stop conflating them with ones that are not. What exactly are your examples that have been proven to be caused by nicotine e-liquid? Please list them below.
If a Breaking Bad wannabe is creating cheap street vapes with cheap glycerin like above, you will get lipoid pneueonia. Cheap, crude glycerin is available anywhere via Internet.
If...
If a Breaking Bad wannabe is creating cheap street vapes with cheap glycerin like above, you will get lipoid pneueonia. Cheap, crude glycerin is available anywhere via Internet.
And that might happen if flavored nicotine e-liquid is banned, which will drive it to the black market.
If a Breaking Bad wannabe is creating cheap street vapes with cheap glycerin like above, you will get lipoid pneueonia. Cheap, crude glycerin is available anywhere via Internet.
I did a quick search and I couldnt find the price of crude glycerine but my guess is it's about the same or more than vegetable glycerine. What makes you think it's cheaper?
What exactly do you disagree with?
That I stated your example was not nicotine e-liquid? Because that would seem to be self-evident, and I quote:
"Here is an example of Internet lunacy that will give you lipoid pneumonia ... DIY essential oils from coffee. Other people are using essential oils from peppermint, spearmint, etc..."
Vaping essential oils is NOT vaping nicotine e-liquid.
Or, are you disagreeing that you are lumping non-nicotine e-liquid health problems with the current hysteria?
See quote above.
Or, is it my statement that you must know you are conflating?
If that is it, now that you know, please stop.
No one has any issue at all with you posting known illnesses with vaping nicotine e-liquid, or even posting about vaping non-nicotine e-liquid. But, please stop lumping them all together and naming threads thusly. I'm sure you don't intend to spread misinformation.
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It's a discussion forum. I suppose he could edit the OP and put in a disclaimer or something.
But getting the info out is important. IDK...for all I know that guy was vaping nic not pot. But he had bad juice.
Or he was vaping pot, and they won't say. (I think THC is easily oil soluble not water right? Someone check me. Or maybe plant oils in the stuff).
Regardless, it's a valuable discussion if understood in context. Further, it's important in the "essential oils" thing too.
This all goes back to "Know what's in your ejuice, and it better not be oils".
Discussion is discussion.
It should be clear to anyone actually reading this thread that normal nic-vaping is clear of oils. That WON'T be clear from reading The Sun's article. So I think it's a net-gain. YMMV
But getting the info out is important. IDK...for all I know that guy was vaping nic not pot. But he had bad juice.
Or he was vaping pot, and they won't say. (I think THC is easily oil soluble not water right? Someone check me. Or maybe plant oils in the stuff).
Regardless, it's a valuable discussion if understood in context. Further, it's important in the "essential oils" thing too.
This all goes back to "Know what's in your ejuice, and it better not be oils".
Discussion is discussion.
It should be clear to anyone actually reading this thread that normal nic-vaping is clear of oils. That WON'T be clear from reading The Sun's article. So I think it's a net-gain. YMMV
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