Unethical Soup is at it again!

[rothenbj]

Sharon McEachern, the blogger that does not respond to emails or comments is at it again and being quoted as fact!

Ethic Soup: E-Cigarette Smokers Are Suckers: Must Inhale Aerosol More Deeply into Lungs, Questionable Health Effects

"Over a year ago, in July 2009, the Food and Drug Administration released an analysis of 19 varieties of electronic cigarettes that said half of them contained nitrosamines (the same carcinogen found in real cigarettes) and many contained diethylene glycol, the poisonous ingredient in antifreeze. (Read Ethic Soup post about FDA warning.)"

Disinformation is disgusting, outright lies, despicable. Oh, the red emphasis is of course mine.

 

[BCB]

I'm confused about how "sucking harder" brings it deeper into your lungs. Does sucking harder on a straw to ingest a milkshake bring it deeper into your stomach than the (easier to suck) soda?

 

[rothenbj]

As unbelievable as it appears, the troll commented on the following story and linked to her own blog.

Electronic cigarettes banned in campus buildings, residence halls | Central Michigan Life

 

[ckc]

Maybe she's just never tried pushing the button on hers

Researchers speculate that e-cigarettes could have the same results as low-tar cigarettes, "compensatory smoking," leading users to inhale more deeply and often to achieve adequate does of nicotine to satisfy their craving.

Compensatory vaping(not smoking) Mmmmm i'll have some of that.

Speculate??? Does that translate to 'they don't know'

Adequate does??? Spell check honey,spell check

 

[Reyth]

Well it seems they are attempting to discourage new vapers huh?

 

[rothenbj]

I just couldn't resist-

"Ethic soup is a classless blog written by a classless individual. You are unable to comment on the context as the author refused to publish the comments. She is an embarrassment to the blogging community. Oh, did I mention, she's a liar?

I would like this author to prove just one statement, " many contained diethylene glycol, the poisonous ingredient in antifreeze." Unless one of 18 or 19 cartridges is many, she is providing misinformation, no disinformation, no lying.

Half the cartridges contained nitrosamines? Did the author bother to read the actual report that the FDA based their dog and pony show? It's readily available on the internet and an honest blogger would have checked it before publishing rehashing bad hash. Yes, they do contain nitrosamines, to the same level that nitrosamines are found in your nicotine gum, lozenges and inhalers. The main reason for that is that the nicotine is extracted from tobacco which has orders of magnitude more nitrosamines than any of the fore mentioned products.

The new research that this poor excuse for a researcher quotes, in fact, proved nothing. A tobacco Nazi assumed that it could be more dangerous. However, nothing in the study drew that conclusion.

A little research goes a long way if you decide to do it.

Did I mention this troll that posted this comment is Ethic soup. How ethical is that?"

 

[ckc]

Well it seems they are attempting to discourage new vapers huh?

Yep but everytime a Blog or a piece of News comes out,the more the word spreads and anyone can see that they do work and they're much safer than carrying on smoking. I've seen replys to these were comments are allowed saying 'oh,i'll try those' etc.

If i was a smoker and came across that Blog,i'd be searching for 'Electronic Cigarettes' now

 

[gramakittycat]

Funny but I'm a former 2+ ppd x <40 years and I find I'm inhaling less deeply as I enjoy the flavors in my mouth .I'm sure I do get nicotine absorbsion but as for the deep draw into the lungs well not so much and even less as time goes on.I'm enjoyin' the heck out of my ecigs and it's a shame OTHERS don't.Peace,GKK/Sue

 

[rothenbj]

Funny but I'm a former 2+ ppd x <40 years and I find I'm inhaling less deeply as I enjoy the flavors in my mouth .I'm sure I do get nicotine absorbsion but as for the deep draw into the lungs well not so much and even less as time goes on.I'm enjoyin' the heck out of my ecigs and it's a shame OTHERS don't.Peace,GKK/Sue

How much less than 40 years did you smoke? Just joking. I think you probably wanted to type >40, but I couldn't resist lifting my own spirits after reading Unethic Soup's comment. Darn, I cant get my tongue to stay in my mouth. There

 

[ezmoose]

Since discovering nicotine from vaping is more readily absorbed in the upper airways than the lungs (because of its pH and the lack of particulates), my vaping style is akin to puffing on a cigar. I don't deeply inhale; seems like that would be more work for less payback! lol

 

[Reyth]

LOL. Drawing lightly to get the most nic possible!

 

[bassnut]

I can't figure out how to access the comments section. I'm afraid "comment feed" is beyond me experience since I don't subscribe to any of the choices.
Any suggestions? Anyone?

 

[SgtDGun]

the whole study seems pointless. the majority of smokers take a puff then inhale it. i do more or less the same with a PV. also the study doesn't even test the contents of the puffs, the contents of the exhale or the air quality....useless.

 

[SgtDGun]

I can't figure out how to access the comments section. I'm afraid "comment feed" is beyond me experience since I don't subscribe to any of the choices.
Any suggestions? Anyone?

she moderates her comments section so it wont get shown anyway

 

[bassnut]

she moderates her comments section so it wont get shown anyway

Thanks, SgtDGun. Much appreciated.

 

[SgtDGun]

are they really advocating smoking over vaping omg?

anyway this is the email for the researcher that did this study
talbot@ucr.edu

 

[SgtDGun]

I sent this to Talbot

umm are you advocating cigarette smoking over E-cig smoking?
who pays for your research? the tobacco lobby?

you didn't test any of the vapor or smoke during this test?

and i don't know anyone that just puffs on a cig and blows it out. it's a puff followed by a inhale. the level of inhale is based on the individual. using a e-cig is done in much the same way. only a portion of the smoke or vapor makes it to your lungs during the puff, most is held in the mouth and throat, then it is inhaled.

the FDA study was so full of holes and inaccuracies, that it is also almost useless. only 1 capsule from one vendor was found to contain antifreeze, and as far as the nitrosamines go the levels were as low or lower than whats found in nicotine gum or the patch, way below what is in a cigarette.
I am not associated in any way with any organization that is funded by or profiting from any of these products.
I am just a E-Cig convert from smoking and my COPD symptoms are disappearing, I have feel less tired, sleep better too.
look for more info here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/
David Gunther

 

[ezmoose]

Perhaps they need to do a study on nicotine gum; obsessive chewing may lead to jaw fatigue! lol

 

[Para]

From the OP's link:

Importation of e-cigarettes into the U.S. is currently banned as a result of an ongoing FDA investigation, according to the MDCH website.

If true, where is all the factory production from China going?

 

[Vocalek]

Left this comment. It says comments are moderated. I am now accepting bets as to whether or not this one gets approved.

Handy guide to the quantity of nitrosamines in a one-day supply of products that contain nicotine:

16 mg. e-cigarette liquid (1 gram) - 8 nanograms
24 mg. Nicotine patch (1 ea.) - 8 nanograms
4 mg. Nicotine gum (10 pieces) - 20 nanograms
20 Full-flavor Marlboros (1 pack) - 110,000 nanograms

Personally, my money is on the real cigarettes for the title of "most likely to cause cancer."

If users are inhaling the vapor more deeply as the day goes on, it doesn't appear to be harming their lungs. Multiple surveys show that 90% of users experience improved breathing and lung function. I've been using one since March of 2009 and my wheezing has disappeared, along with the productive morning cough.