Update: LR atomizers with 510 stock (180mah) batteries...

[DC2]

So for those that haven't seen my previous posts on this subject, I am being a guinea pig.
And I will use this post for further updates.

I hope others chime in with their experiences too!!


THE SITUATION...

I have around 30 stock 510 batteries (180mah) in the freezer.
I don't really use them hardly at all anymore, now that I have my Chucks.

But for nights out, I do sometimes have to pack up a little dart wallet.
Two 510 batteries have never had a problem lasting me through an evening out.

But I get sort of sad when I have to go back to 510 stock batteries from my Chucks.
The vaping experience is definitely not what I'm used to now.

And since I'm probably drinking at this point, I get even more sad.



ENTER THE LR ATOMIZER....

So they say not to use it at anything under 450mah, or 400mah, or something.
I said, well, okay, why not?

So I stuck one on my 510 stock battery, because yeah, I have a ton of them anyway.
So the verdict so far is FULL OF WIN for this combination!!

I have now gotten through two nights with just my usual two batteries doing this.
And the LR atomizers on my stock 510s is like using my Chuck.
In fact, to be honest, it's better.

But I have to pump the batteries a few times per drag or else the juice gets burnt tasting.

So far the batteries are holding up fine, albeit they are running out much faster.
Yeah, much, much faster, as would be expected.

But they are charging up to full load again, with no apparent issues.


This is the update after only doing this twice.
More updates will follow.

 

[DC2]

Used the LR atomizers with my stock 510 batteries now two more times, with the same results.

I am not finding any issues other than the battery charge not lasting as long.
But they are working just fine, and I'm still loving it.

 

[IVapus]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but the curiosity is killing me.

1. How in the world did you end up with 30 stock 510 batteries. Are these all operational, or are these batteries which stopped holding a charge. I've just started out vaping(<2wks) and I have 2 stock and 2 mega/xl batteries that I rotate. Until one or more stops holding a charge, I don't see any advantage to getting more. What am I missing?
2. What's the deal with the fridge? I must have missed this somehow. Do the batteries last longer or hold a charge longer when stored there? First I'm hearing of this.
3. So with the LR atomizers I'm guessing your std. 510 batteries are running out in less than half hour, right?

 

[DC2]

1. How in the world did you end up with 30 stock 510 batteries.

I stocked up as soon as I realized that I would never smoke analogs again as long as electronic cigarettes existed. I also have tons of atomizers that are probably enough to last me forever.

If they ban these things, I'll be just fine.

2. What's the deal with the fridge?

The colder you store li-on batteries the longer they last...
How to prolong lithium-based batteries

3. So with the LR atomizers I'm guessing your std. 510 batteries are running out in less than half hour, right?

Well, I'm not a really good person to answer that question.

I am a light vaper, going through less than 1ml per day. Two 510 batteries used to always last me all day, and sometimes I could get through an entire day with only one 510 battery.

All I can tell you so far is that, for me, the 510s with LR atomizers are lasting long enough that I can easily get through a night of drinking with two of them.

Hopefully, as I keep doing this, I will have a decent estimate for how long they last with LR atomizers as compared to regular atomizers, but I am not really at a point where I can make that comparison yet.

What I haven't done yet is use them for a day and find out how long two of them last.

 

[warlike36]

My wife uses the same combo all day every day. hers last bout an hour some times a bit more. LR's are from east mall

 

[DC2]

My wife uses the same combo all day every day. hers last bout an hour some times a bit more. LR's are from east mall

How long has she been using LR atomziers with stock 510 batteries?
And she is using the stock batteries, not the mega batteries?

 

[warlike36]

LOL I know,but there also the original "stock batts" she got almost 4 months ago when we started vaping from cignot.com. By the way all 4 of her original attys are also still working. We got the LR's 3 days ago.

 

[DC2]

Well alrighty, sounds like I have a fellow guinea pig then!

 

[warlike36]

Ya sounds good. I now use a LiL Chuck and a Duracell,Indulgance on the way,cant wait to try 6v. But the wife is super happy with the LR's on her 510 batts.

 

[Quick1]

It's just a matter of current draw -- the load you're putting on the batteries.

Regular 510 joye atomizer == 2.2 ohms
Typical 510 LR atomizer == 1.5 -1.8 ohms

Let's say your 3.7v battery is charged up and putting out 4v.
510 Joye atomizer is going to want to draw about 1.8 Amps
510 LR atomizer is going to want to draw about 2.5 Amps

Batteries are rated with a Maximum Discharge Rate. This is the max current the battery is rated to deliver continuously without significantly damaging the battery or killing it prematurely. Note: continuously -- our application is pretty much pulsed. On, rest, on, rest, ...

Typically this max discharge rate is commonly 2 x the capacity of the battery in mAh. So a 450 mAh battery might be expected to have a max discharge rate of 900 mA (just under 1 Amp). It varys based on the battery construction.

Then there are protection circuits. Protected batteries will be protected against discharging over some discharge rate. Go over that rate and the battery disconnects internally.

The LR atomizers draw almost half again as much current as a regular atomizer. For this reason you may/will stress your batteries, measurably reduce their usable life, and possibly trip the protection circuit. For this reason vendors are going to tell you that they are not suitable for use with smaller capacity batteries. Doesn't mean that they won't work with smaller batteries but it would definitely be "use entirely at your own risk and we advise against it". It may not be much or any more dangerous but you could reduce the life of your batteries, or it may not work at all and vendors are not going to want to deal with that. I don't know that all the small (510 and the likes) batteries are made by the same manufacturer and to the same specs but I would expect some variance there and vendors are not going to want to deal with or support usage which is pushing components to their limits or over their rated operating parameters.

 

[BuzzKill]

Quick is right on point here , the only concern I might have is the current draw a LR atty puts on the stock battery .
If it is working for you Cool BUT just be aware that they can go into melt down faster due to the excess current draw , Not trying to scare you just be aware that you are pushing the batteries !

 

[IVapus]

I stocked up as soon as I realized that I would never smoke analogs again as long as electronic cigarettes existed. I also have tons of atomizers that are probably enough to last me forever.

I was tempted to do the same(though not to the same extent), especially when I found I could get the mega/XL batteries for only $10 and atomizers for only $5 at Value Vapor. I decided against it and got only two of each for now because I hadn't been at it long enough to know I would stick with the same format for the long term. I'm glad I didn't go overboard on the atomizers because I'm kind of enjoying the cartomizers which can be had for $1.40 each at liteCigUSA, and even cheaper from Asia. I really like the 510 form factor and at the moment a larger unit in order to get more battery life(or more juice capacity) doesn't appeal to me at all so I'm inclined to stick with this. When I have my first battery failure I'll probably weigh the eGo value proposition again(hopefully the prices will have gone down by then due to volume and competition). At current pricing, and considering that I would also need to buy a new charger, I can't see buying two eGo batteries for more than I can get 4 mega/XL batteries for and have more redundancy. With enough spare batteries, the charging and battery life just aren't that big of a problem for me to justify the additional cost, but then I'm also cheap.

The colder you store li-on batteries the longer they last...
How to prolong lithium-based batteries

Thanks for this info and the excellent link, I was unaware of this.

 

[Rocketman]

Chiming in here.

The little overstressed 510 stock battery, fails on it's own sometimes.
This will probably cause early failure. Since you have a good supply in the freezer, keep doing what you want until the supply gets low. This would not be the right thing for someone on a limited budget, or just a couple of batteries.
Stay on the alert for failure modes that might be a little risky.
Battery stuck on - atty overheating - in your pocket or purse - not a good thing.
Battery goes into melt down mode - be ready to toss it somewhere safe (tossing them in water is not the recommended 'safe disposal method'.
Happens with regular attys, just might happen a little more often with a LR atty.
Rated discharge? It's sort of a moot point with factory batteries.

Why not just take the Chuck out drinking? Chicken

Rocket

 

[BuzzKill]

cluck cluck cluck chuck !!
Sorry had to !

 

[DC2]

Thanks for the quality feedback from the battery uber geeks!!


And I say that with the utmost respect.
I'm an uber geek myself, in my own field of geekdom anyway.

So yeah,

Why not just take the Chuck out drinking? Chicken

I've already done that a few times.

One time I drove off with the Chuck sitting on the roof of my car.
Of course it was about 12 seconds before I realized I didn't have my Chuck anymore.

I was able to spin a U-ee (spelling?) and find it.
There was no damage.


I've also left it behind at a number of parties.
One of these days I won't get it back.

Plus, lugging it around isn't always the preferred option.
Unless, of course, I need to beat off a mugger or something.

 

[bassnut]

I ruined a few 510 mega bats with my LR attys.
They will no longer take a charge. It took about 3 weeks of steady use.
The vaping was great while they lasted.
I'm now using KR808D-1 (mega) batteries at 300mah with a 510 adapter.

My PV now doubles as a walking stick.

The KR8s are proving to last much longer but I know the LR Atty isn't doing them any good either. I just prefer a skinny PV.

 

[DC2]

I ruined a few 510 mega bats with my LR attys.
They will no longer take a charge. It took about 3 weeks of steady use.

So there have been previous guinea pigs that have come before me.
And the news was not so good.


Well, at least I only use them for a few hours here and there as needed.
So maybe this can work for me still.

The updates will continue until I give up or claim victory!!

 

[Quick1]

Anyone have a rough idea of how many charge cycles you might expect out of a 510 battery used with a regular 510 atomizer? If there is any consistency with that then you could compare against it.

 

[DC2]

Anyone have a rough idea of how many charge cycles you might expect out of a 510 battery used with a regular 510 atomizer? If there is any consistency with that then you could compare against it.

I'm not the best guinea pig, as stated previously.
I really don't vape enough, or have enough problems, to establish a baseline.


I am still using the first two 510 batteries that I got 11 months ago.
I haven't lost one yet.

 

[Quick1]

I'm not the best guinea pig, as stated previously.
I really don't vape enough, or have enough problems, to establish a baseline.

Well, you could. It just might take a couple of years before we get the control data.