Update on Banning of Oregon E cigarette Sales

[MissVapor]

I was concerned upon reading a post here a few days ago about e cigarettes sales being banned in Oregon b/c I get my liquid from Nuvape and that is where they are based out of..

I sent the article link to Jim at Nuvape and here is his response:

Hi Rene,

Thanks for the link. The article you sent had a little more info then the local news
AG Settlement Blocks E-Cigarette Sales - Your Vote News Story - KPTV Portland
Along with katu.com
(both now dead links)

Truth is... ALOT of mis-information.
NOT BANNED!!!
The 2 companies involved were advertising the ecig as a "safer alternative". They ticked off the public by selling them in koisks in the malls (in one case in front of a kid video arcade) and were puffing away in an almost civil-disobedient fashion. The state Attorney General (AG) got involved and gave the companies 72 hrs to prove their claim 'safer'. They couldn't.
So criminal prosecution started (or was threatened).
This is where these last stories picked up. The 2 companies involved, agreed not to sell in the state IF, the AG would stop prosecution/litigation,
with the following provisions. They MAY resume selling if either they can show supporting evidence for their claim as a safer alternative OR, the FDA assumes regulation of the e-cig and the companies abide by their regulations.
So.. E-cigs are not banned in Oregon, E-cigs may be purchased retail. In addition, the non-durable goods are unaffected (juice and accessories).

Two of our local online news pages KATU and KPTV (Fisher and Fox) ran the headlines Thursday (e-cigs banned in Oregon), with a small vague story incomplete of the details.
HERES THE TRICK.
The next day the stories were pulled. A reader could NOT find the stories from the news web pages. Until today, the KPTV link was still active IF, someone had sent the link to you. Now even it is not accessible.
The media has again scattered mis-information headlines, then pulled the actual facts.

I question, how much money does big-tobacco have vested in Fisher and Turner (et. al.) ???

Jim-
admin@nuvape.com

PS.
Looks like your link is now dead also...
Please feel free to share/post this response.

 

[Janetda]

I'm not sure if this where I should say this, but it does beg the question, what does safer mean? To me, the FDA results alone proved them safer.

 

[markarich159]

"the standard for lower-risk products for use by current smokers," argues the american association of public health physicians, "should be the hazard posed by cigarettes, not a pharmaceutical safety standard." telling smokers they may not use e-cigarettes until they're approved by the fda is like telling a floundering swimmer not to climb aboard a raft because it might have a leak.

great analogy!!!!!!

 

[ladyraj]

Thanks for the update...I'm relieved. I thought this was the start of the end and each state would fall like dominos.

 

[Duckies]

I'm not sure if this where I should say this, but it does beg the question, what does safer mean? To me, the FDA results alone proved them safer.

No way is the FDA going to approve unlimited quantities of OTC liquid nicotine no matter the strength. Yes, the activity is safer than smoking cigarettes, but people can buy this stuff by the litre. It isn't like gum or patches.

/wetblanket

 

[Sebastian]

Duckies,
FINALLY a consumer who actually has some foresight.... I've been saying this for ages... hence why Liberty Stix doesn't sell anything but pre-filled carts....and why the FDA is moving us along with our navigating to comply with their protocols.... SORRY FOLKS...

If you want your e-cigs you are gonna have to understand that concessions to unlimited nicotine solutions is not viable.

 

[linnx]

Quite possible. But technically one could apply 10 patches and chew 10 peices of 4mg gum at a time...

 

[Sebastian]

Talk to your local FDA Ombudsman....

 

[happily]

Quite possible. But technically one could apply 10 patches and chew 10 peices of 4mg gum at a time...

exactly my thoughts........... haven't seen any limit on gum or patches and they still sitting on the bottom shelf where a five year old can reach em. Schools even started handing out the gum..

 

[Krakkan]

Quite possible. But technically one could apply 10 patches and chew 10 peices of 4mg gum at a time...

Ask the KID who OD'd from the Nicroette gum in the UK lol -- the Anti's even handed the gum out to the kids at school

 

[Sebastian]

Technically, one could also pull the wool out of 40 cartridges and swallow them too....

The difference is a measured dose with a finite amount. When you start seeing people getting a brick of Vicodin for pain and they get to take an icepick and chop off chunks (doses) at their discretion, lemme know....and it's not even a liquid. Liquids are more easily absorbed into the skin than pills.

 

[jen28f]

Quite possible. But technically one could apply 10 patches and chew 10 peices of 4mg gum at a time...

When I tried the patch and read not to smoke while wearing it, I would rip it off and hold it in my left hand while smoking a cigarette with my right.
That is one of the problems with the patch, the need for nicotine is not satified quickly enough with the delivery method, so we end up smoking to get nicotine when we need it. Not to mention all the other reasons they don't work....

 

[Kate51]

MissVapor , thanks for that, it is eye-opening. May I also make a point that people who promote e-cigs by in-your-face demonstrations should take heart, this is what can happen. People will not be impressed, they miss the whole point except for the blatant disregard of the sensibilities people have about smoking in general, vaping inside around others, kids and old folks. Save that for home, or a tolerant work place. This is a touchy situation, especially now when it seems that people's rights are disappearing before our eyes. Education and promoting a product doesn't work if it's stuffed down somebody's throat. But also we want to retain our right to have our PV's and be able to buy supplies, so we walk a fine line till all this gets sorted. We also want to be safe. Fine line heck, this is a tight-rope we walk on.

 

[linnx]

Even though its pre-measured, you can still overdo it and just keep replacing cartridges. I am not seeing how atomized carts are safer. As if the user wants more, he will just keep replacing the cart with a fresh one. Just like with the gum, you can chew a new piece when you want. Just like with refilling your own, you can refill it when you want. So what really is the difference? Not trying to be a smart alec, I'm just wondering what your perspective is.

Technically, one could also pull the wool out of 40 cartridges and swallow them too....

The difference is a measured dose with a finite amount. When you start seeing people getting a brick of Vicodin for pain and they get to take an icepick and chop off chunks (doses) at their discretion, lemme know....and it's not even a liquid. Liquids are more easily absorbed into the skin than pills.

 

[Sebastian]

Linnx,
I don't understand how you don't get the perspective. You can overdose on everything...yes that I understand, but I'm talking about ease of overdosing. If you don't understand the difference, then I don't know what to say. It's pretty black and white....

 

[linnx]

You made it sound like premeasured was superior in that it had less risk of overdosing. If that is the case, I do not agree. Both methods are easy to overdose on. So yes, it is black & white.

Linnx,
What don't you understand? You can overdose on everything...yes that I understand, but I'm talking about ease of overdosing. If you don't understand the difference, then clearly it's not worth discussing. It's pretty black and white....

 

[Sebastian]

I almost don't know how to respond to that.

OK try going to get insurance with your "juice". Then, let your potential underwriters know your intentions to give a liquid nicotine formula to your customers, then get back to me on what they say. They won't insure you. You aren't insured. I am. YES it IS black and white.

This same philosophy and policy is going to transcend across not only the insurance companies, but the powers that be as well...

 

[linnx]

We gone far off the beaten path from the original question.

Why is premeasured superior to fill yourself? We all agreed that all methods have potential for overdose.

I don't think anyone questioned if you had insurance or not.

 

[Sebastian]

Linnx,
I apologize, I thought it sort of was leaning towards a "safer" discussion. My contention is that there are several "safer" factors that people who were willing to insure my product took note of. I think that these same factors can translate into the same factors that other agencies etc. may ALSO scrutinize. The insurance companies want to protect their money, and the other agencies want to protect the public (even if some of their assertions on the industry are misguided - I don't think the juice issue will be one of them as the industry moves forward).

As far as why pre-measured is superior, well there are many reasons and I have been very vocal about them in other threads. Just do a forum search.

Happy Vaping.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Great post, Sebastian. I've tried to point out to people both around the city and here on the board that there is no ban in Oregon and that this move by the AG only impacts NJOY and SE, but it's difficult because the FDA and ASH are using the Oregon case as a propaganda tool. People in Oregon and elsewhere are panicked and the fire is being fueled by bogus FDA/ASH rhetoric. It's sick to watch.