Urgent message from Gregory Conley, President of American Vaping Association...
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Didn't some once say even bad publicity is good publicity?
Where does this assumption that the public will assume the negative
view point come from? I have never heard of this being an issue from
any non-vapers aside that all vaping is all bad.We have never been called
out for being rude vapers just being vapers. We are getting along just fine here in
Minnesota where it hasn't been banned. Where it has been banned it was never
because the general public was in an uproar. It's all of the usual suspects
that attend all the public meetings. The so called private citizens that
are salaried by the non-profits that attend every meeting and scratch
each others backs. By the general public gets involved the damage has
already been done. The dialog and direction has already been determined.
In this state all legitimate and grassroots avenues of approach are controlled
by non-profits and lobbyists. Being nice to them is never going to work.
It's time to start stepping on some toe's.
Regards
Mike
I agree we need to act, I just think organized is better. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to come from CASAA or SFATA or NBS or wherever. Just my personal opinion, but a gathering of hundreds or thousands protesting will cause me to stop and listen. Five people on a corner holding signs doesn't get my attention.Didn't some once say even bad publicity is good publicity?
Where does this assumption that the public will assume the negative
view point come from? I have never heard of this being an issue from
any non-vapers aside that all vaping is all bad.We have never been called
out for being rude vapers just being vapers. We are getting along just fine here in
Minnesota where it hasn't been banned. Where it has been banned it was never
because the general public was in an uproar. It's all of the usual suspects
that attend all the public meetings. The so called private citizens that
are salaried by the non-profits that attend every meeting and scratch
each others backs. By the general public gets involved the damage has
already been done. The dialog and direction has already been determined.
In this state all legitimate and grassroots avenues of approach are controlled
by non-profits and lobbyists. Being nice to them is never going to work.
It's time to start stepping on some toe's.
Regards
Mike
Such a beautiful amalgamation of Latin and American English!
I am expanding my everyday dictionary.
Our greatest asset chance for a reprieve is to work through organizations who defend vaping and have the contacts to pull together politicians who can hold the FDA at bay. Write your legislators over and over until you get a reply that actually addresses your concerns, not a canned form letter.
Vaping, IMO, is being attacked to defend big tobacco profits. Government knows that the tobacco companies have Billions more to pay to the states in the Master Settlement Agreement of 1998. That payment extends to 2023. Why else would they attack a product that could attract millions of smokers and save lives? Smoking kills. Vaping has yet to be termed harmful and you know they have tried to find something harmful in the product.
Vaping, IMO, is being attacked to defend big tobacco profits. Government knows that the tobacco companies have Billions more to pay to the states in the Master Settlement Agreement of 1998. That payment extends to 2023. Why else would they attack a product that could attract millions of smokers and save lives? Smoking kills. Vaping has yet to be termed harmful and you know they have tried to find something harmful in the product.
Imo, the more demonstrations and protests; the better. No organization/s gets to demand control of them, and no one needs "permission" to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
Why would you assume that there would be any violence at a pro-vaping demonstration? Why would you assume that "Coordinators" would be able to avert that? Why do you capitalize the first letter of every other word in your posts? We're not violent people, and this issue isn't contentious enough to provoke violence from the idiots on the other side. We're not talking about a Trump rally here.
There's nothing wrong with being organized, but you seem to yearn for control, and want to wait for "permission" from some self-appointed authorities, and I sure as hell don't.
I don't see this as someone saying we don't have permission to act, I see it as someone who is actively working for us asking people to be smart about how and when they act. I don't always listen to the advocacy leaders, make your own decisions.
I go back to the antiwar protest days, and I do recall provocateurs causing violence, whch was then blamed on the antiwar folks. Large, polite demonstrations shoudn't be a problem, but there is a reason they always had volunteer marshals. I still think a demonstration is a fine idea, BUT it needs to be well-organized, with one message, not 17. Buses don't magically appear. Permits, which are necessary, don't issue themselves. There is a lot of groundwork to be done if this thing is to be successful.
I'm Not Assuming anything. I'm saying that the Possibility Exists for a Poorly Planed Rally to get out of hand.
And if No Thought or if there is No Plan/Leadership put into Ensuring that a Rally/Demonstration is not done Peacefully, then the Chances of something getting out of hand Goes Up proportionally to the Amount of people that will Attend. Attended on Both Sides.
Because if you Organize a Pro Rally for something/anything, wouldn't it be a Safe Bet that the Anti People would consider being there Also?
Some people vehemently hate smokers, I could definitely see something going sideways. We're targeting their children after all...
No. They Didn't. They said Bad Publicity is Bad Publicity.
How well received would it be if a "Vape Rally" got Ugly? And how Many House Reps and or Senators would feel good about being associated with something like that?
I'm Not Saying to not do a Rally. I am a Supporter of Doing One. But it has to be Thought Out, Organized by someone with some Experience, and "Self Policed" to ensure that the Message being presented does Not take a Back Seat to what the News could turn it into.
What's wrong with planning and leadership at a local level? Why would protests need to be organized by a national association? Who cares if the ANTZ show up too? The presence of counter-protesters doesn't ensure violence.
The time for the passive, "gee-golly I wouldn't want to offend or confront anyone" type of attitude you seem to be expressing in this thread is over.
There's Nothing Wrong with Planning something using Leadership on the Local Level. Never said there Wasn't. And I Never said it had to be Planned by a National Association.
But your Last Sentence is Exactly the Attitude that Mr. Conley is warning people about.
The bigger and more organised the rally the more ANTZ agitators will be there.
Regards
Mike
Sen. Johnson sent a letter yesterday to FDA Commissioner Robert Califf raising concerns about the agency’s recent e-cigarette regulation, which could create undue burdens on small businesses and possibly lead to negative unintended health consequences.
Johnson asked the FDA whether it will revise its rule if scientific findings indicate that e-cigarettes are safer than traditional cigarettes.
“Unfortunately, the FDA’s attempt to improve the public’s health by scrutinizing the e-cigarette industry could ultimately result in negative unintended health consequences,” Johnson wrote in the letter. “The costly impact the rule will have on e-cigarette manufacturers will stifle innovation and make it harder for e-cigarette companies to continue to offer products that serve as an alternative to smoking. It is possible that without a cost-effective alternative, some consumers will resort to traditional cigarettes.”
Read more here: http://1.usa.gov/1OP1KIN
If we'd been activists starting years ago, this FDA BS never would've gotten as far as it has. Now, they're in the process of trying to destroy the industry. Their tyranny is on the Federal register. It's happening. What will it take for you, (and others), to wake up and stop with the passivity?
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