I just made a purchase from RTS Vapes without issue (I am from Canada, used my Visa and no issues). Have to admit, this has me a little spooked. I ordered another liter of 100mg nic.
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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Urgent Message: State of Oklahoma Bank Cards Being Declined for Vape Shops
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Mass and Kentucky aren't on that list and members in those places have had this problem.
This is a little like hacking; anything that can be done can be undone or worked around.
It may be a little harder for some people but can be done.
I am sure my lawyer could address the issue, as could yours.
But lawyers cost money, then more money, and, well you have the picture.
It may be a little harder for some people but can be done.
I am sure my lawyer could address the issue, as could yours.
But lawyers cost money, then more money, and, well you have the picture.
Not new information, but another voice in the crowd:
Are the Days of Online eCig Purchases by Credit Card Numbered?
Are the Days of Online eCig Purchases by Credit Card Numbered?
LOL! Look again. Most of those states are solid red. Md and Vt might be exceptions. Wa usually is 50/50. But Az, Ga, Ia, Ok, Sd, Wi are solid red states.
The main point should be that this isn't a red/blue issue and trying to make it one eliminates 50% or more of the potential support, which the industry can't afford to loose. Pointing fingers and blaming is stupid. Even a well intentioned politican, reguardless of what side they are on, usually only has access to what ever the FDA says (Congressional Reports) unless we make them aware of anything else. I'd bet that most politicans are not expecting much blowback about ecig restrictions that are probably paying off in increased campaign $'s and support from powerful industries. Vaping is just not a single issue voting agenda for most people which is usually what it takes to make political divides work. You'd be better off getting a letter to the editor published, posting on FB, doing daily actions or learning how to be a citizen lobbyist. A million other things than creating a false divide within the community.
Maybe.
Then how come cigars aren't prohibited? In fact, on PACT's FAQ they explicitly exclude it.
I would like to know what makes the difference.
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This is a wakeup call. If you haven't been it is time to stock up. I have been at it for the last year. Since I am saving money on cigarettes by about 240 a month I figured I could get extra and still save. I wish I could say the tptb have your best interests at heart but I really think they have their best interests and their lobbyists at heart. This is a financial problem for a gov that sets up children's health programs from the cigarette tax money, they could care less about the horrible stinky smokers.
A. I got it wrong, I meant red. I keep confusing the two because the meanings got switched about 20 years ago.
It's up to US VAPERS to give them other information, but I've been there doing it, and they aren't listening. Since I'm still an Obama supporter and was a lifelong Democrat until recently (I'm now a Whig, a new Moderate party) I was thinking it is hilarious that the divide looked pretty balanced, since everybody has been claiming unbalance. I think the real issue is how few vapers know there is an issue. I ordered CASAA cards, which are inexpensive and come with a blank space on the back to put a contact sticker. I'm going to print up a few with my contact info for when I go to cities, counties, etc in my neighborhood (again) to plead our case -- till now I've been giving out hand-written scraps of paper, lol.
But I made up some stickers with the QR code for casaa.org and a red "No more Lies" stop sign (stolen from Vocalek I think) and put them on the back of many dozen cards and took them to vape shops in the area during the Christmas rush, along with little $2.99 business card holders and a bigger CASAA flyer from the casaa web site.
I haven't gotten around to calling back to see if they need more cards, but of the 3 vape shops, only ONE had ever heard of CASAA!
I found out the casaa.org QR code is small-enough to fit into a standard 1" X 2 5/8" Avery label and still be readable. I think the casaa facebook QR code has to be bigger (complexity requires better resolution) so I put it on the flyer that goes behind the cards.
I also hand them out to vapers I meet in public (ALL of whom are totally surprised to hear there's an issue!) but I'm anti-social so that only happens about once a month.....
No, the choice was pharma product or no pharma product, period. The court said the FDA could probably pursue the tobacco angle because of the 2009 federal act. That part of the ruling was just advice. It left both sides to fight another fight another day.
You have gov of a certain persuasion that knows what is best for you. You will be assimilated or you will be an outcast. It will get worse.
If a company extracts nicotine from a different plant then the product certainly couldn't be labeled as tobacco, I can see this being a viable work around if things go south.
I really hope vaping doesn't get pushed underground, geez were not harming anyone including ourselves.
I really hope vaping doesn't get pushed underground, geez were not harming anyone including ourselves.
If you mean California, [SOME] folks chimed in on our side and temporarily saved the day for now.
If you mean Oklahoma, that looks SO random to me, but someone said "follow the money."
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When congress smokes, guess what they use? Cigars were specifically excluded from the PACT Act, though I believe the FDA has been making some rumblings on trying to get them included.
When I was young I spent all my time raising my kid as a single parent, Had a good job but no time for much else. Now I research daily and it scares the hell out of me what these people want. I think we are seeing the results of society gone wild. What I see is people believe their party line and question no further. Well you had better question or you will have nothing.
Just now tuned into the forum after some time away to see this news. Do not have time to read all the way back but is this panic mode? Should we be buying mega amounts now. I have had 2 orders go through in the last 24 hours (at least I think I have) and I am in Georgia
This is a quote from a post by Bill Godshall dated April of 2011
For immediate release:
contact: Bill Godshall 412-351-5880
E-cigarettes, e-liquid and other nicotine containing products are now tobacco products
Today's annoucement by the FDA Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products to not appeal Judge Richard Leon's ruling in NJOY v FDA https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...?2009cv0771-54 to the US Supreme Court means that e-cigarettes, e-liquid, nicotine gums, lozenges, patches, skin creams and nasal sprays are now unregulate tobacco products according to federal law (as long as no therapeutic claim is made by the manufacturer/importer).
These nicotine products now join cigars and pipe tobacco as unregulated tobacco products under the Family Smoking Prevention Tobacco Control Act. Currently regulated tobacco products include cigarettes, roll-your-own and smokeless tobacco.
Bill Godshall, executive director of Smokefree Pennsylvania, welcomes this sea change in the federal legal definintion and regulation of tobacco/nicotine products, stating: "Smokers will have greater access to many different less expensive smokefree alternatives, and manufacturers can now truthfully market these new smokefree tobacco products to smokers as far less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes."
Sales of e-clgarettes are likely to continue skyrocketing with this decision, and many more stores will begin selling them.
There is no evidence that e-cigarettes have harmed any of the estimated million smokers who have switched in the past several years. "This decision will boost e-cigarette sales at the expense of tobacco cigarettes, and many more smokers will switch," said Godshall.
The change is also likely to decimate drug industry sales of nicotine gums, lozenges and patches. "Not many smokers will pay $.75 for a nicotine lozenge if they can buy a virtually identical tobacco lozenge for $.20," added Godshall.
The FDA has indicated that it plans to propose regulations for these smokefree nicotine alternatives as tobacco products.
Posted here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-njoy-vs-fda-discussion-211.html#post3086105
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Vaping is costlng govs around the world lots of tax money and this will not end well. Bet on it.
That's a good point, we can't afford to allienate them either. They've built up a respectable lobbying group. They figure out ways to use our equipment too.
From what I'm reading, so far it is isolated to a single processing company. Since ecigs have not been deemed a tobacco product legally yet, I don't see how this 'bank processor' can continue to block charges.
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