US shipping cutoff dates - USPS, Fedex & UPS

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Horselady154

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That right there is enough to make me not want to order anything even if we can. What is the government going to do with that information? Implement a huge tax and make it retroactive? Raid me when they finally make vaping illegal? It gives them a list of what to look for when they are searching my premises. No trust.

Kinda like gun registration...
 

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lol, that famous 4.5% increase in wages for the bottom earners under the previous administration?
let's be generous and assume $10/hr which has turned into a whopping $10.45 under trump - way to go to eliminate the wealth gap :D
I think the point was that there were jobs and high paying ones too. As long as we have any semblance of a free market, the solution to learning low wages is improving oneself so that one provides more worth and can get a higher paying job.
 

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Really? LOL, you're kidding, right?
Maybe you should check out the track record of Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big tobacco, and Big Tech.
Bill is right. You are confusing capitalism with corporatism. Corporatism cannot exist without big government, operating outside of its constitutional boundaries, to give them special favor by allowing their lobbyists to write the laws, etc.
 

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Here is some info and a video from a group willing to give the devil his do and agree that the new shipping restrictions are based on a valid concern for youth addiction to nicotine - It is addictive, isn't it?

Here is a solution designed to appease the government and yet make it possible for vape dealers to stay in business - It is being implemented now and I believe it may convince shippers like UPS to continuer to ship vapes again - Of course you will pay for it, shipping will never be as cheap as it used to be.

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Online vape dealers should take special note of this video, and it is of interest to all vape users - If we admit there really was a problem with youth addiction then maybe we and the government can still come to an amenable solution - We really don't need another black market do we?


But, most don't actually care about the kids. That's just an excuse. They care about the money they are being paid by lobbyists and other special interests, to shut down vaping.
 

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the solution to earning low wages is improving oneself so that one provides more worth
ah, like those shelf stockers, grocery clerks and delivery drivers without whom we'd have been up a ....'s creek during the past year?
 
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I disagree. Where is the malignant capitalism, unrestrained, is very much against the interest of the common man? It isn't the vaping community, but the government who wants to kill off vaping and force people back to smoking and prevent smokers who want to quit to die. I call this murder and they should be charged of murder.

The government is hooked on tobacco taxes and vaping pays none. At this point we might be better off being taxed instead of being erradicated.
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ah, like those shelf stockers, grocery clerks and delivery drivers without whom we'd have been up a ....'s creek during the past year?
Ahhh, there you go. Cherry pick some wages that make your argument look stronger than it is. Try learning a skill that is and has been in demand (the trades for example). There are (were) lots of those jobs available and those wages have been rapidly increasing for a number of years now. While shelf stockers, grocery clerks, and delivery drivers are wonderful people, those are not high demand skills and the large majority of them are meant as entry level where one does not need much in the way of skills or work experience. Funny isn't it, the people who complain the most about entry level wages are the last willing to pay $10 for a Big Mac.
 

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Ahhh, there you go. Cherry pick some wages that make your argument look stronger than it is. Try learning a skill that is and has been in demand (the trades for example). There are (were) lots of those jobs available and those wages have been rapidly increasing for a number of years now. While shelf stockers, grocery clerks, and delivery drivers are wonderful people, those are not high demand skills and the large majority of them are meant as entry level where one does not need much in the way of skills or work experience. Funny isn't it, the people who complain the most about entry level wages are the last willing to pay $10 for a Big Mac.
sorry, but this VVV is what i questioned in horselady's post
so that one provides more worth

as to 'entry' level wages i see an awful lot of middle-aged workers in grocery stores. guess they all should have taken up a trade years ago. but then who would be left to stock the shelves?
maybe ask yourself why such little worth is given in this country to 'unskilled' labor?
 

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sorry, but this VVV is what i questioned in horselady's post


as to 'entry' level wages i see an awful lot of middle-aged workers in grocery stores. guess they all should have taken up a trade years ago. but then who would be left to stock the shelves?
maybe ask yourself why such little worth is given in this country to 'unskilled' labor?
Maybe ask yourself why you still live here when a place like, say China, Russia, or Cuba might be more to your liking.
 
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Maybe ask yourself why you still live here when a place like, say China, Russia, or Cuba might be more to your liking.
dream on and keep telling yourself those 'wonderful' people should have done better for themselves. you really don't need them, do you?
 
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1. I am not in the vaping or tobacco business
:facepalm: Oh ok, now I understand... In other words... It's not your Problem. It's somebody's problem "over there". Got it.

The people who are passionate about vaping actually made, and make, the time to take Action. They don't post actions Others should take while remaining on the sidelines themselves.


Backseat drivers. ;)


2. Whoever reads this forum, or the Reddit ecig forum
And is in the business should have not only access to it but I would imagine is receiving it from that group.

Right, so by your logic... Everyone on the interwebz who has access to YouTube should know, or be aware of, every needle in the haystack video hosted.

Or what programming is on each cable channel. :lol:

Got it.


While I personally don't disagree, or agree, with you... It's been fun.

G'day, I'm out. :D
 

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dream on and keep telling yourself those 'wonderful' people should have done better for themselves. you really don't need them, do you?
Never said that. Show me where I did. My point is we are a meritocracy...for better or worse. That is what this country was built on. It's what brought us to where we are. If this is objectionable, you have options to move elsewhere. BTW, why stop at $10.45. Why not, say, $100.45? Who is to say what it should be? In our system, supply and demand is what dictates. At least there is a basis. And your sarcastic implication about my views of these people is offensive, particularly when I live with and know many of these wonderful people. Hell, I was one myself.

Moving on.
 

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Honestly... all the vapers that want to save vaping are only super passionate about it, even getting politically nerdy about it, and want to save it... only for purely selfish reasons (including myself)... only because it directly affects "themselves."

Incorrect. The application of the PACT act to vaping concerns me, and personally I'm set for life. I have more than enough nicotine for life, I build 3D printers, have a lathe and mill and was building my own mods before anything currently on the market was around. Unfortunately others don't have what I have.
 

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Incorrect. The application of the PACT act to vaping concerns me, and personally I'm set for life. I have more than enough nicotine for life, I build 3D printers, have a lathe and mill and was building my own mods before anything currently on the market was around. Unfortunately others don't have what I have.
But we know someone who does. :)
 

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Perhaps... but, you're a vaper. So, of course, you care.

What about the general public and non-vapers? ...CASAA and similar orgs have been useless - they only reach out to politicians, etc. Politicians don't care... no time to read, etc.

Imo, the real key is running non-stop (positive) ads about vaping on TV, YT, Major news outlets (TV and Web)... but, this is super expensive to have constantly run.

This is what anti-vape have been doing with negative vape image/ads... that's how they play dirty(lies). We do nothing. We gotta play their own dirty game.... but we can't afford it.

You can't change the minds of politicians directly (with lawyers, court, direct contact, etc.)!
Politicians are only swayed by the general-public, mass/mainstream-media and society as a whole... all of which have a negative viewpoint on vapers.
If you can change that (good luck, lol), then we have a chance.


As for supporting CASAA, politicians, lawyers, trying to abide by (or work with/around) any upcoming new laws/rules of vape mail ban, pact act, etc.... what's the point? ...so we can play by their rules, the rules that they made that was methodically designed to take down vaping, only for them to change it again?

They made those rules and new laws to take down vaping... accept it.
CASAA, lawyers, court, politicians will not help you.
 
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