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    They're going to continue to do business as usual until someone tells them they can't.

    Well, as it relates to FT or any other Chinese shipper, they can pretty well do what they want, within the Chinese Government regulations .. otherwise, who's going to stop them .. ??

    I'd not be surprised if the suits at FT sat down and calculated what the cost of intercepted packages to the USA might be and what they might end up refunding or re-shipping, they then shrugged and said, "That will work .."

    These are not stupid people ..
     

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    Correct, FT is trying to get around shipping bans. Another member posted in a different thread pointed out that one of their shipments got sent back by customs. FT reached out and asked if they would like them to attempt to re-ship the package.

    I got an email just this morning...about an order I'd placed on February 10th with FT. They split the order into 2 shipments. Package #2 is to be delivered to me tomorrow according to the USPS. I would bet that the member you posted about above....got the same email from FT Customer Services! Here's what it said:

    "We are really sorry to inform you that the order #1 has been returned back to us as your package is failed to pass the customs security checking in our local, due to the much more strictly checking."

    It was only Package #1 of my order, that sat in China since March 8th...waiting to be sent on by THEIR Customs.

    The package wasn't returned to them by US customs! It never left China!
     
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    Source, please.

    I Believe it comes from here...

    We just got banned from IVS, Myr :(
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    I placed a $60 FT order on March 6 - just coils and drip tips. It arrived in Chicago yesterday and is due for deliv to me on Monday. I wonder if the purchase includes regular household items (mine didn't) with smallish vape products included, if it's more likely to sail through customs, or the local China checks.
     
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    Well, as it relates to FT or any other Chinese shipper, they can pretty well do what they want, within the Chinese Government regulations .. otherwise, who's going to stop them .. ??

    I'd not be surprised if the suits at FT sat down and calculated what the cost of intercepted packages to the USA might be and what they might end up refunding or re-shipping, they then shrugged and said, "That will work .."

    These are not stupid people ..

    They'll stop when and if the CCP tells them to stop. The CCP is profiting on this so they aren't likely to stop it unless pressured to do so. Who's gonna pressure them? The US government? I don't think so. To quote Biden, "They'll eat our lunch." Who else cares that has any pull over China? The only thing that would stop it would be to stop the postal subsidies, and if the US was going to do that, they'd have already done it years ago. It would cut off ALL cheap goods from China, not just ecigs. It wouldn't stop the opioid flow, but that's another topic. In fact, it's the opioids that customs are really looking for, not a few drip tips or a RBA. I think FT will be in operation for a while, and customs might snatch a few packages, which FT will replace. I still think it's wise to keep th value of your packages small.
     

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    Most likely.
    Unless they get orders from their supreme leader to cease shipping vape products to the US like Alibaba did a few years ago.
    Don't know how this may affect the situation:
    China Might Regulate Vapes As Tobacco Products - Vaping Post

    Alibaba is different as it a public company that trades on the US stock market. They fall under the jurisdiction of the FEC and thus do answer to the US government. FT is purely a Chinese company that the US government has no control over without going through the CCP.
     
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    Shippers such as DHL have already stated they will not ship international vape products so how will FT and the like get their product out of china into the US? Plus I still have one FT package, coils, sitting in China for 3 going on 4 weeks ...twice China post tracking showed it was returned for security reasons, it looks doubtful it will make it out of china. I haven't received notice from FT yet but it looks like a crack down within China too
    ...not sure why some feel it will be business as usual with FT, it already isn't, maybe "mislabeling" is stopping these packages within China, who knows, but it's happening ... I do not count on FT as being a source going forward.
     
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    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the issue in China is a discrepancy between stated weight and actual weight of packages. I run into this with my Etsy business. One rosary weighs 1.4 ounces so the shipping weight is 2 ounces. This works fine if a person orders one rosary, but if he orders 3 the actual weight is 4.2 ounces with a shipping weight of 5 ounces. The computer will just add 3 of the 2 ounces for a shipping weight of 6 ounces. I'll bet FT just would go with their computer weights rather than weigh each package. With thousands of packages being off an ounce, DHL is losing money by not shipping full capacity and is cracking down on FT for it.
     

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    My held up in China FT package was ordered 2/21 received by China postal 3/5


    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Center return, note: security return
    2021-03-11 16:28
    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Exchange Station returned
    2021-03-11 00:26


    And that was 2 weeks ago...
    So yeah as of this past Friday 4 weeks

    I guess I should expect an email from FT hopefully any day now.

    @JCinFLA did they refund you?
     

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    My held up in China FT package was ordered 2/21 received by China postal 3/5


    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Center return, note: security return
    2021-03-11 16:28
    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Exchange Station returned
    2021-03-11 00:26


    And that was 2 weeks ago...
    So yeah as of this past Friday 4 weeks

    I guess I should expect an email from FT hopefully any day now.

    @JCinFLA did they refund you?

    Have you opened a ticket?
     
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    My held up in China FT package was ordered 2/21 received by China postal 3/5


    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Center return, note: security return
    2021-03-11 16:28
    Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Exchange Station returned
    2021-03-11 00:26


    And that was 2 weeks ago...
    So yeah as of this past Friday 4 weeks

    I guess I should expect an email from FT hopefully any day now.

    @JCinFLA did they refund you?

    Not making light of your shipment. Because I know what a Drag it is to Check tracking numbers Everyday and have to do Nothing. Or to Watch it go Around and Around and Around (and Around!) in a Loop for seemingly No Reason.

    But Don't Loose All Faith. Because below is the Tracking for a Package that FT sent me at the Height of the 1st COVID-19 Wave. And it DID Arrive. After 111 Days!

    Number: LY___________CN
    Package status: Expired
    Country: China -> United States

    Destination:

    2020-08-18 14:14, Delivered, Front Door/Porch -> Your item was delivered at the front door or porch at 2:14 pm on August 18, 2020
    2020-08-18 07:10, Out for Delivery
    2020-08-18 04:04, Arrived at Unit
    2020-08-16 00:00, In Transit to Next Facility
    2020-08-15 05:44, Departed USPS Regional Facility
    2020-08-15 05:43, Arrived at USPS Regional Facility
    2020-08-14 00:57, MORENO VALLEY CA DISTRIBUTION CENTER, Departed USPS Regional Facility
    2020-08-13 19:54, MORENO VALLEY CA DISTRIBUTION CENTER, Arrived at USPS Regional Facility
    2020-08-17 14:14, The United States, the United States has been cast.
    2020-08-17 04:04, United States, has arrived at the United States Delivery Bureau.
    2020-08-13 19:55, United States, to the United States secondary processing center.
    2020-08-13 19:55, United States, arriving outside the transfer.
    2020-08-10 16:51, United States, to the United States secondary processing center.
    2020-08-10 16:51, United States, arriving outside the transfer.
    2020-08-10 13:35, Chicago, arrive at the site.


    Origin:
    2020-06-26 17:09, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-26 12:49, Zhengzhou City, leaving the Zhengzhou Terminal, the next station ,Zhengzhou Exchange Station
    2020-06-25 21:57, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-25 21:33, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-25 17:00, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-25 14:27, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-24 11:03, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-24 11:03, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-23 21:24, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-21 15:20, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-20 22:57, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-20 22:57, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-20 17:08, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-20 16:42, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-19 22:18, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-19 22:18, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-19 16:53, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-17 17:52, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-16 20:33, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-16 20:32, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-15 19:57, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-14 20:57, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-13 21:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-13 21:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-13 18:10, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-11 15:58, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-09 10:59, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-09 10:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-08 21:05, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-08 15:40, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-07 20:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-07 20:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-07 17:12, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-07 14:00, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-06 17:45, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-06 17:45, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-04 17:29, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-04 17:25, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-04 17:17, Leave Zhengzhou Terminal, Next Stop , Zhengzhou Exchange Station
    2020-06-04 08:59, Zhengzhou City, leaving Zhengzhou International Processing Center, next stop ,Zhengzhou Terminal
    2020-06-03 20:11, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-03 20:11, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-03 18:53, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-03 18:50, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-03 08:52, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-03 08:52, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-06-02 17:29, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-06-02 13:38, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-06-01 21:35, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-06-01 20:43, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-05-28 21:11, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-05-28 21:11, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-05-28 18:27, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-05-28 16:30, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-05-27 15:54, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-05-27 15:54, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-05-27 12:25, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-05-25 14:08, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-05-25 14:07, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-05-25 10:24, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-05-24 20:42, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-05-24 00:09, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-05-24 00:09, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center return, note: security return.
    2020-05-23 00:48, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou Exchange Station returned.
    2020-05-08 15:30, Zhengzhou City, has been handed over to the airline transport.
    2020-05-08 15:25, Zhengzhou City, arriving at Zhengzhou Exchange Station
    2020-05-07 21:07, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou International Processing Center has been exported to the straight seal.
    2020-05-05 14:39, Zhengzhou City, leaving the Zhengzhou International Marketing Center, the next stop ,Zhengzhou International
    2020-05-05 14:05, Zhengzhou City, Zhengzhou City International Marketing Center has been received, the pitcher: Sun Gang, tel: 13512345678.

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    @zoiDman I haven't seen any movement since that last China post tracking on the 11th and that was 2 weeks ago. Admittedly I am not very hopeful although I would love to get it.

    Yeah... It can be Maddening. But like I said, Mine arrived. And others who ordered at around the same time had Long Waits also. But they did end up getting their Packages. Or at least all but One or Two.

    If you have a Ticket Started with FT then I would just sit back and give it another week or so.
     

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    @zoiDman I haven't seen any movement since that last China post tracking on the 11th and that was 2 weeks ago. Admittedly I am not very hopeful although I would love to get it.

    My FT order from March 6 was shipped on March 11 and no updates since. I have 2 small packages from HC that are also in limbo, but those were placed and shipped later. Give it another week or so. Things are very slow right now. Good luck!
     
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