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Using Citric Acid in DIY

Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by ChelsB, Dec 9, 2017.

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  1. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
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    Straight nic base should be way more alkali than that.
     
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  2. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    between here and there
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  3. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yes, it vaped fine, but it was a coil gunker.
     
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  4. pwmeek

    pwmeek Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Litmus paper (pH strips in general) are cheap. They also come in different ranges. If you get the 0-14 (full range) it will be hard to determine the acidity closely. Better to get both the full range strips plus a set of short range strips (maybe pH 5-8) that cover the levels of acidity/alkalinity that you are aiming for. Amazon carries all kinds; just read the description. You can use a full range strip to be sure you are in the general range you are aiming for, and then use a short range strip to determine the actual pH more closely.

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    If the color chart has 15 colors, then full range strips can only tell you to about one pH number accuracy. If the range is only 5-8 pH, then 15 colors will let you read the strip to about 0.2 pH accuracy. (If you can judge that the strip color falls between two chart colors, you can estimate to about double that accuracy.)

    Note: you will be able to judge colors better under halogen or bright incandescent lights than under fluorescent, CFL, or LED lights. It has to do with whether the lights deliver a smooth spectrum or not.
     
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  5. squee

    squee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Central CT
    Cool. I had also made a watermelon vape by request from my great nephew with the nic salt (at 36mg) and after reading your reply, I felt okay about giving it to him to try (LOL). He refilled his little JUUL pod on the spot, said it was good and happily headed off to work.
     
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  6. squee

    squee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Central CT
    Oooooh, that is interesting! And makes me now want to try Malic Acid (heh). Also makes me think that's what some of the commercial vendors are using, like Nic River. They specifically say not made with benzo and I have read more than a few people say they didn't care for salts because they got a somewhat sour taste at the end of an inhale or exhale. Malic could do that depending on what the target pH was or if someone was just a bit sensitive to it

    LOL, yeah - they were wanting to reduce smell and taste of nic. But I've also read comments from those who used to vape their juice say they had the smoothest nic around. No one thought to question it until the JUUL became all the rage. Looks like VV were pioneers and just didn't know it :)
     
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  7. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    My kid was examining my new vapes yesterday and asked me if I knew of "The Juul, I guess everyone's all into it these days."

    Actually, he asked me if I knew about nic salts, I handed him my vape and said, "Yep." Then he mentioned the Juul. I guess it is in fact true that Big Tobacco has pioneered another way for children to vape as dangerously and expensively as possible, while blaming "vaping."

    I really think cigalikes shouldn't be included in vapes, because they don't disclose their ingredients or "proprietary" processes. It's fair to say that most DIY e-liquid companies will tell you, if asked, what they use to make their nic salts, and often times flavors. I don't think Juul would do that, and I would shoot them an email asking, but I really don't want to get on some "list."

    Anna
     
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  8. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Thanks, Mike. I appreciate you continuing to chime in. You’re a great resource!
     
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  9. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You're already on the list, dont worry!
     
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  10. squee

    squee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Central CT
    I thought so too but in some of my reading I did see several references to the pKa of pure nic being 7.9.

    I'll be curious to see my next batch, as I'll make sure to grab a bottle from the freezer from a different supplier and test that as well.

    I've got nic from VT, Heartland (regular and Chemnovatic), ECX, ChemNic, NN, and WL - some VG, some PG, some 50/50 - be interesting to see if there's any variance
     
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  11. squee

    squee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Central CT
    The JUUL isn't Big Tobacco though, they're an independent company, just like NJoy.

    Big Tobacco puts out stuff like the Mark 10, which is so expensive and terrible you'll want to keep smoking LOL
     
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  12. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    Interesting, I just did a search, and you are correct. Good to know thanks!

    Anna
     
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  13. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 12, 2016
    California
    How’d your latest batch turn out?
     
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