Vandy Vape Pulse 80 watt now 90 watt X

[Zaryk]

When did they start designing the pulse 80???

I'm sure someone could answer that, but not me. I have no clue. My point was that I seen him using a 21700 11 months ago. He had plenty of time to redesign it to fit one. It didn't take long to redesign it and put it out as the pulse 90w X, so it could have been done before they put out the 80w version for sure.

 

[flavourchaser]

I think they didn't realise that 21700 is in such big demand, it's a missed opportunity at the time. IMO. People that are geared for 21700 and are hardcore fans of 21700 will still buy this. Just for more power and the new panels

 

[Cirus]

Companies are in business to make money. Don't buy it if you don't like it. Simple. If you were into 21700's when the 80w was released you knew there'd be another coming for 21700's. buy it or don't. Don't complain.

 

[flavourchaser]

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[zoiDman]

I figured they were going to put out an "updated" version to support 21700s. I kind of feel they had this planned out from the start to keep sales up, but that could just be that I'm the kind of person that always looks for the bad in things though.

Sometimes when a company is not Flush with Cash, they need to do an initial release to Fund future releases.

There can also be the Issue with putting Too Many Eggs in One Basket. And if things go Pear Shaped on the Initial Release sales-wise, you aren't Holding as many Outstanding Invoices to Outside Suppliers if you do Staggered Releases.

I'm Not Defending Vandy Vape. Just say'n that there can be Very Legitimate Cash Flow reasons to do Staggered Releases.

 

[Zaryk]

Sometimes when a company is not Flush with Cash, they need to do an initial release to Fund future releases.

There can also be the Issue with putting Too Many Eggs in One Basket. And if things go Pear Shaped on the Initial Release sales-wise, you aren't Holding as many Outstanding Invoices to Outside Suppliers if you do Staggered Releases.

I'm Not Defending Vandy Vape. Just say'n that there can be Very Legitimate Cash Flow reasons to do Staggered Releases.

While i would normally agree, if it we were talking about two totally different designs. But it isnt, it is just very slightly different. I don't see how it would have costed much more to add a couple of mm of space in the mod, especially cost so much more that they would have to fund it by selling another mod of almost identical design.

 

[flavourchaser]

When do you guys think this will be available for purchase?

 

[YePsTeR]

 

[zoiDman]

While i would normally agree, if it we were talking about two totally different designs. But it isnt, it is just very slightly different. I don't see how it would have costed much more to add a couple of mm of space in the mod, especially cost so much more that they would have to fund it by selling another mod of almost identical design.

There are usually Very Few Dimensional Changes that can be made to Existing Injection Die Tooling that doesn't require a New Die Set. Same with CNC Fabrication, Fixtures, Code for the Mod Body. And things like New Contracts/Moulds for 3rd Part Door Panels. You're also going to need Some New Packaging and Printing.

There is also the Issue of How Much a Chip Maker wants on the Front End for say a 40 ~ 50k Line Item Order? And just your Net 30's are going to get Paid if Sales are less than Stellar.

Rolling out a New Product can be a Ginormous Money Pit. And as Fast as the e-Cigarette Market is Moving, you Can't really just make a Couple Thousand to do a Sales Test. Because even if it is well received, by the Time you Gear Up and Capitalize Up, about 10 New Products will have hit.

You kinda have to Go All in and be able to Fill every 1st Wave Order. And that can take a Lot of Federal Reserve Notes.

 

[flavourchaser]

When do you guys think this will be available for purchase?

cancel this I just looked on google and found this. So looks like it's very soon. Around $60 or $70 for the kit, reasonable price. I'm guessing mod only $40-$50?? If it comes with an 18650 adapter I might just get one
Vandy Vape Pulse X Squonk Kit with Pulse X RDA
Vandy Vape Pulse X Squonk Kit

 

[YePsTeR]

same bottle right?

 

[Zaryk]

There are usually Very Few Dimensional Changes that can be made to Existing Injection Die Tooling that doesn't require a New Die Set. Same with CNC Fabrication, Fixtures, Code for the Mod Body. And things like New Contracts/Moulds for 3rd Part Door Panels. You're also going to need Some New Packaging and Printing.

There is also the Issue of How Much a Chip Maker wants on the Front End for say a 40 ~ 50k Line Item Order? And just your Net 30's are going to get Paid if Sales are less than Stellar.

Rolling out a New Product can be a Ginormous Money Pit. And as Fast as the e-Cigarette Market is Moving, you Can't really just make a Couple Thousand to do a Sales Test. Because even if it is well received, by the Time you Gear Up and Capitalize Up, about 10 New Products will have hit.

You kinda have to Go All in and be able to Fill every 1st Wave Order. And that can take a Lot of Federal Reserve Notes.

I totally agree with what you said here. There is a lot of "behind the scenes" costs that are overlooked by the consumer side. But they are literally adding one, maybe two, millimeters of space on the battery side of things. They could easily be adding that by simply cutting a small amount of material from the molds. They are very likely using the same chip, same contacts, same hardware. That makes it a "new, upgraded" product for minimal cost. While I think it is a smart production plan, my point was that it is kind of a crappy thing to do on the consumer side when they could have put out that nicer model right in the begining.

I also should say, I do not dislike Vandy Vape. I own, and use, some of their products. The pulse mech being one product I have and like. I own multiple of them as a matter of fact. The pulse 22 (own 3 that are all in use) and some other dual coil RDAs (don't use anymore, only because I don't use dual coil anything anymore).

 

[madstabber]

I hope they offer the “mod only” from the jump. I don’t care for the rda, I don’t see the use for a vertical coil. The squonk dripping from the top would help keep a vertical coil evenly wet but it still seems like a gimmick, no real merit.

 

[zoiDman]

I totally agree with what you said here. There is a lot of "behind the scenes" costs that are overlooked by the consumer side. But they are literally adding one, maybe two, millimeters of space on the battery side of things. They could easily be adding that by simply cutting a small amount of material from the molds. They are very likely using the same chip, same contacts, same hardware. That makes it a "new, upgraded" product for minimal cost. While I think it is a smart production plan, my point was that it is kind of a crappy thing to do on the consumer side when they could have put out that nicer model right in the begining.

I also should say, I do not dislike Vandy Vape. I own, and use, some of their products. The pulse mech being one product I have and like. I own multiple of them as a matter of fact. The pulse 22 (own 3 that are all in use) and some other dual coil RDAs (don't use anymore, only because I don't use dual coil anything anymore).

Injection Moulding is kinda a Funny Beast.

Sure, you can Trim Off a few Millimeters from the Cavity Plate (the Female Portion of a Die Set), but if you don't Add the same amount to the Core (the Male portion of a Die Set) then you Haven't moved anything. All you have done is make a Wall Thickness greater. And it is Hard to Add Material once it has been Taken Off. LOL.

The Long and the Short of it is there is just a Long List of Vendors that you need to Issue PO's to and a Long List of Expenditures needed to be Paid when you want to Roll Out a New Product. And ALL of those Vendors and Most of those Expenditures are going to need to be Paid way before your New Product ever gets to a Customer.

Like I said, I'm Not really trying to defend Vandy Vape. And I don't really have an Opinion on their Mods because I Don't Own one.

I just seen when Accounts Payable is writing Checks every week. While the Launch Date is still Months Away.

 

[Zaryk]

Injection Moulding is kinda a Funny Beast.

Sure, you can Trim Off a few Millimeters from the Cavity Plate (the Female Portion of a Die Set), but if you don't Add the same amount to the Cores (the Male portion of a Die Set) then you Haven't moved anything. All you have done is make a Wall Thickness greater. And it is Hard to Add Material once it has been Taken Off. LOL.

The Long and the Short of it is there is just a Long List of Vendors that you need to Issue PO's to and a Long List of Expenditures needed to be Paid when you want to Roll Out a New Product. And ALL of those Vendors and Most of those Expenditures are going to need to be Paid way before your New Product ever gets to a Customer.

Like I said, I'm Not really trying to defend Vandy Vape. And I don't really have an Opinion on their Mods because I Don't Own one.

I just seen when Accounts Payable is writing Checks every week. While the Launch Date is still Months Away.

I know how it works, and I get what your saying. I used to make bumpers for GM SUVs, so I have seen these processes first hand. I just don't think you understand what I am saying.

There was no need to retool or redesign if they originally made it like what they are now putting out. That is what I have been saying. That would have saved VV money, and the consumers (at least some) wouldn't feel like they got the short end of the stick.

In short, good business plan to sell more priduct, but bad a way to build a loyal fan base. Why buy their new stuff early if they get known to re-release stuff so quickly?

 

[madstabber]

Well I solved the problem I was having if I should order or not and if they were going to offer a “mod only” option. I ordered a rage squonk mod. For any interested parties ejuiceconnect dot com has them for $65usd and sas10 code takes 10% off. I had no intention of buying one but for that price I didn’t really have a choice.
Oh wait....this isn’t the shinyitis thread, I apologize
Thread drift.

 

[flavourchaser]

Well I solved the problem I was having if I should order or not and if they were going to offer a “mod only” option. I ordered a rage squonk mod. For any interested parties ejuiceconnect dot com has them for $65usd and sas10 code takes 10% off. I had no intention of buying one but for that price I didn’t really have a choice.
Oh wait....this isn’t the shinyitis thread, I apologize
Thread drift.

wow nice deal, they sure have come down in price, just like most things do eventually. good deal

 

[flavourchaser]

same bottle right?

I hope so, I got heaps of pulse 80watt bottles that I can reuse.

 

[madstabber]

wow nice deal, they sure have come down in price, just like most things do eventually. good deal

Yea most places have it for $80-90 so when I seen $65 I had to order.

 

[zoiDman]

I know how it works, and I get what your saying. I used to make bumpers for GM SUVs, so I have seen these processes first hand. I just don't think you understand what I am saying.

There was no need to retool or redesign if they originally made it like what they are now putting out. That is what I have been saying. That would have saved VV money, and the consumers (at least some) wouldn't feel like they got the short end of the stick.

In short, good business plan to sell more priduct, but bad a way to build a loyal fan base. Why buy their new stuff early if they get known to re-release stuff so quickly?

I guess I just Don't see it as the Short End of any Sticks?

I mean, everyone knew what type of Batteries went into the pervious Vandy Vape Mods. So if someone wants a Mod that takes 21700 Batteries (or 90 vs 80 watts) shouldn't they have Not Bought an 18650/20700 80 watts mod?

BTW - I didn't really follow the Drama. But wasn't there some Big Hang-Up that caused the Pulse 80w to have a delayed Release?

I wonder How Long Ago the Pulse 80w was actually designed? Like 18 Months ago?