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Vapcell has changed what cell they use for their 10A 1100mAh 18350, without a wrap change

Discussion in 'Batteries and Chargers' started by Mooch, Nov 20, 2018.

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  1. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    It has been removed from both of my Recommended Batteries tables and its ratings removed from the 18350 ratings table.

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    I purchased four of these Vapcell’s, verified their authenticity, and did a quick check. They perform a lot worse than the last time I tested them. I do not know this cell’s ratings and I will not be retesting it. I am tired of chasing crap like this down all the time.

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    The new cell can be identified by its smaller raised portion at the bottom (versus the older cell I tested). The newer cell also has two small weld points on top (under the top insulating ring) and a slightly larger gap between the top crimped portion and the body of the metal can.

    Please do not send me pictures of your Vapcell 18350’s asking which version they are. Compare yours to my photos. If you are unsure then assume they are the new version. You can then speak to your vendor or Vapcell.

    I want to give Mike Kim a huge shoutout and Thank You for alerting me to this cell change!
     
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  2. somdcomputerguy

    somdcomputerguy vaper dedicato Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 3, 2014
    Rupert, West Virginia
    Thanks for all you do for us Mad Dog Mooch, and thanks Mike Kim for helpin the helper.
     
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  3. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
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  4. Barkuti

    Barkuti Super Member ECF Veteran

    Did you capacity tested the newer cell, Mooch? It likely is it will perform quite close, capacity wise, at a slow pace (0.25/0.5/1A) which is what standard folks can home test with analyzing chargers.
    Thanks.

    Cheers :)
     
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  5. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    No. It wasn’t worth it as they are easier to spot visually and I wasn’t going to waste any more time on them. If they tested close in nominal capacity the results wouldn’t be of much use anyway.
     
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  6. Robin Becker

    Robin Becker Senior Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Berlin
    Wow, thanks Mooch. I recommend a new technical term for that. From now on lets talk about battery polygamy as soon as a company just switch between batteries without telling any one :D
     
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  7. Violetti Usva

    Violetti Usva Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 1, 2017
    When I hear battery polygamy I think of having a set of x batteries used in a regulated device without keeping them in married pairs. Plus I feel like polygamy doesn't necessarily have the negative connotations the situation deserves. I would recommend "battery castration"
     
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  8. Robin Becker

    Robin Becker Senior Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Berlin
    It is true...I never used the definition "married" batteries for the same batteries that are used together in the same device, because I have only mods with a place for one battery :D
    We can call it also Battery opportunism
     
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  9. mimöschen

    mimöschen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2016
    I think an analogon from the financial sector fits very well. Just like toxic assets have lost in value massively, so that there's no market for them anymore, we should call these rewraps that have changed without notification toxic cells.:thumb:
     
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  10. Violetti Usva

    Violetti Usva Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 1, 2017
    Toxic is the Oxford Dictionary Word of the Year 2018...so I guess that's rather fitting.
     
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  11. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Tucson, AZ
    Why not call it what it is? Deliberate false advertising and theft works pretty darn well for me.

    That and the term, "Deliberately and knowingly falsifying evidence and endangering vapers everywhere."

    I mean, that's what it's gonna be called in the lawsuit, no need to confuse everyone with "toxic batteries." Batteries ARE toxic, that is why we don't eat them.

    Anna
     
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  12. Luka Boskovic

    Luka Boskovic New Member

    Nov 26, 2018
    Montenegro
    I did the capacity check on 4 of them. I was unlucky to order 4pcs for my flashlights, before reading this. I have tested the capacity after reading and the all go over 1100mAh rating. However, the Emisar D4 micro-flashlight draws a little bit more than 15A of power... the old version can supply that somehow, while this one falls apart on 15A and the flashlight drops output immediately. Money wasted.
     
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  13. Barkuti

    Barkuti Super Member ECF Veteran

    The Emisar D4 is an unregulated flashlight, a mean MOSFET driver :rolleyes: driven flashlight LoL. Due to simplicity many folks love this concept, albeit I prefer properly regulated buck and/or boost engines.
    The amount of current it may be drawing from the newer version 18350s must be somewhat lower, this is because the only difference is the higher internal resistance cell being used. Of course this also means the driver input voltage drop is more steep, causing earlier stepdown. Well, you can thank God with the newer version of this cell your flashlight runs cooler. ROFL! :lol:

    Cheers :)
     
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  14. Luka Boskovic

    Luka Boskovic New Member

    Nov 26, 2018
    Montenegro
    Exactly! The light does not step down when the new vapcell 18350 is chock-full (4,20V, or 4,18V idle), it works fine with the firs few bursts until the idle voltage drops down to around 4,05V, from then on, the turbo is significantly lower. The old 18350 vapcell does not have that problem.
    However, I've seen recently that there is a newer version of 18350 by Keeppower. One that is only 650mAh but they claim it's 15A constant current. It does not hurt to try, I will order it these days. Keep power rates their batteries decently.
     
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  15. Robin Becker

    Robin Becker Senior Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Berlin

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