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Vaping and Oral Health

Discussion in 'Health, Safety and Vaping' started by Caesar77, Apr 18, 2020.

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  1. Caesar77

    Caesar77 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 7, 2017
    Hello everyone,

    Been a while since I last posted here but I think this topic is quite interesting and important so I thought I would post about it.

    It's about vaping and oral health. Looks like PG degrades into nasty acids and stuff that are bad for out teeth and gums. VG also degrades into some not-so-good stuff but is not as bad as PG, but instead when you combine VG with sweet flavors in makes it so bacteria sticks more to your teeth and cavities because of the film it creates.

    Now in my own experience I can tell you that when I used to MTL vape 50/50 eliquids my gums bled way too much, and I could feel them irritated and very inflammated.

    I know no one wants to hear that their hobby is not that healthy but I think it's important to know the truth about what one is doing, specially if it concerns ones own health.

    Here is a long study about PG and VG degradation study in PDF form: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D4091%26context%3Dopen_access_etds&ved=2ahUKEwj01KP6i_LoAhVZ8uAKHbfLC9sQFjAKegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2_IIk2AQx5LdyMrpYS8GYt

    And here is an article with sources at the botton: https://www.perioimplantadvisory.com/clinical-tips/article/16412201/vaping-and-oral-health-its-worse-than-you-think

    I've also noticed how many vaping reviewers and normal vapers have awful teeth and gum health, I just don't want peoples mouth to get f'd up without them knowing what vaping can potentially do to their oral health. It seems that VG is way safer for oral health than PG so there is that.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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  2. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    And, I wonder why that famous oral rinse BIOTENE is 98% PG ! ! ! !

    Sure wish you had any idea
     
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  3. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Highly Esteemed Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    Perhaps Biotene is owed by a group of evil dentists looking for work?
     
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  4. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Yeah, the rubberizing affect vaping has on teeth is shocking!
     
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  5. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Highly Esteemed Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    Yes, I had forgotten the rubber teeth guy.:lol::lol:
     
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  6. Bunnykiller

    Bunnykiller ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    New Orleans La.
    wubba teef?? :shock:
     
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  7. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
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  8. stols001

    stols001 Moved On ECF Veteran

    May 30, 2017
    Thank you for the warning but I do not have any teeth.

    I scrub my gum and titanium denture inplants with bleach twice a day (dentist advised, it stopped the gum infections COLD and I actually LIKE the taste, now) and so I'm not afeard of a little VG/PG sorry.

    Don't scrub yo TEETH w/bleach if anyone is wondering it will discolor them.

    Anna
     
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  9. 440BB

    440BB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 19, 2011
    The Motor City
    My wife has had a history of receding gums and fillings at the gum line that won't stay in. Since she started vaping nearly nine years ago no new cavities and her dentist says her gums are in good shape. It's hard to see how vaping has caused any harm and the antimicrobial properties of the 2/3 PG mix we use seem to be helpful to oral health in our case. We discussed this with our dentist five years ago and they came back after looking into it and they thought it might be beneficial and to keep doing what we're doing.

    It may be that oral health simply improves when one stops smoking. Vaping may mot make much difference but not smoking certainly helps.
     
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  10. Javichu

    Javichu Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 8, 2020
    Spain
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  11. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    There is a solution. It's called mouthwash, brushing and flossing. I have been vaping for 7 years and my dentist says I have healthy teeth and gums. Not to mention I have had zero cavities in that 7 years. If your gums are bleeding you are probably not brushing twice a day and flossing and/or using mouthwash.
     
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  12. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hundertwasser
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  13. classwife

    classwife Admin Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Moved from General Vaping Discussion to Health, Safety and Vaping.

    Ever hear of brushing and flossing your teeth ?

    If your gums are bleeding you probably have periodontal disease - which is NOT vaping related.
     
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  14. Washington88

    Washington88 Moved On

    Mar 22, 2020
    Like cigarette smoking, vaping increases the risk of a gum problem, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's what caused it.
     
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  15. Caesar77

    Caesar77 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 7, 2017
    You don't vape mouthwash, read my post, PG degrades at high temperature.

    From what you linked:

    Propylene glycol is a small organic alcohol commonly used as a skin conditioning agent and in toothpaste as a humectant. It has been associated with irritant and allergic contact dermatitis as well as contact urticaria (hives) in humans; these sensitization effects can be manifested at propylene glycol concentrations as low as 2 percent.

    And again you don't vape the PG in toothpaste, and it's in very small concentrations.

    Glad your wife doesn't have any problem vaping PG.
    I do keep a good oral hygiene, and my gums are fine now. All I'm saying is that there is evidence that vaping might be bad for oral hygiene for the reasons I already stated. I don't get why you all making fun of my post or saying I must have bad oral hygiene, I'm just trying to be informative, and I'm showing evidence. I see no benefit in always disgregarding vaping ever being bad, calling it propaganda or something like that. Also there are other posts pointing out feelings of discomfort in their gums when vaping. It's always oh your gums bleed after you stop smoking, oh drink more water, etc.

    For sure. I had a much better oral health while smoking than when vaping.
     
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  16. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
    My evidence is what MY dentist and hygienist tell me from looking at the results of vaping for 6+ years.
    At your young age, you should stop vaping if you are concerned. You need to keep your teeth and gums in good shape for many years.
    Which vape reviewers have "awful teeth and gum health"?
     
  17. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    Been vaping several years. Gums and teeth in better shape now then when I smoked. So sounds bogus to me.
     
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  18. susieqz

    susieqz Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 11, 2018
    high plains
    around here, if anyone dare point out a possible drawback to vaping, he is automaticly attacked.
    i don't think this is helpful or wise,
     
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  19. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    I wasn't making fun of your post. You basically said that vaping made your gums bleed. After 7 years of vaping neither me nor my wife have had any negative oral issues. So I suggested other ways to correct the issue. You did not mention that the issue ha already been corrected.

    As to the drink more water suggestion given by many, my dentist has told me that if you sleep with sinus congestion that causes you to breath through your mouth, that the dryness can cause issues. So I guess if vaping gives you dry mouth it could cause similar issues, but then the drink more water advice is exactly the correct answer.
     
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  20. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Hi mate,
    The first study linked is A) out of date - Equipment used is from 2014-2015.
    B) shown to be flawed based upon the testing methodology. (intentionally simulating extreme conditions that are outside the scope of "typical" use.)
    The second study concludes:
    Take care of your teeth, you will miss them when they are gone.

    Cheers
    I
     
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