After being disappointed with the vape shops in Philadelphia, I saw an odd looking store that had "vapes" on an outside sign. It was a pawn shop! One section of the display case was filled with decent mods, and decent atomizers. It was better stuff than I saw in the vape shops. I bought a new still-sealed-in-the- box Pioneer4you iPV5 mod for $60. I found out later that the going price on elementvape.com is closer to $50. Lesson learned, knowledge and the willingness to haggle are necessary. But still, this opens up possibilities as things get worse. Anything used, of course, would need to be checked out and should be discounted as used merch. Its sad to think that things are coming to this.