vaping in public keep it low to keep our rights

[DC2]

Your Disneyland example is better because it is a large place and the people can be quite dispersed in some areas.
I'm going to post the rest of this reply now and give this example some more thought.

Okay, here goes...

If people were able to vape somewhat freely they would be walking around vaping.
Not hiding in a corner somewhere, which is where this "sneaky" smoker would be hiding out.

In a world where vapers can walk around freely vaping, one prerequisite would have to be that the public was educated about vaping.
And in such a world, I think it is likely that people would be able to tell the difference between a vaper and a smoker just by watching them for a second.

 

[Rickajho]

Okay, here goes...

If people were able to vape somewhat freely they would be walking around vaping.
Not hiding in a corner somewhere, which is where this "sneaky" smoker would be hiding out.

In a world where vapers can walk around freely vaping, one prerequisite would have to be that the public was educated about vaping.
And in such a world, I think it is likely that people would be able to tell the difference between a vaper and a smoker just by watching them for a second.

Or by smelling for a half second.

 

[Uma]

False. I've been at many events where I could smell pot. I knew someone around was smoking pot, but wasn't sure who (because they did it with some stealth). Smoking can be the same way. When I was younger, I would sneak smokes myself at places you weren't supposed to smoke (disneyland, college sporting events, etc.). People could smell it, but weren't sure who was doing it. If a bunch of people around me would have been vaping, it would have been even easier. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp.

You can't even admit that it's possible. In a stadium full of 50,000 people, you really don't think a smoker in a group of vapors might light up?? Because it would be harder for people in the next section to know who's doing it? That's unbelievable.

They're easy to spot if you're a dr.
If you're not a dr., its really none of your business now is it.
Those who do it for rec, certainly don't stealth a hit every now and then. What's the fun in that.

If a vapor wisp escaping the lips bothers anyone that much, then I think it would only be fair if we protect the public by banning all escaping vapor. No more hot cups of coffee or tea. No more hot dogs, only cold. No more steaming hot fries or zucchini fritters or tutu burgers. Steam is annoying, and could be dangerous. When it's cold outside, everyone must wear a mask, to catch our steaming breaths. And sor heavens sakes, no more hot steamy kisses behind the bleachers!

 

[ClippinWings]

1. There might not be anyone around (standing off by themselves, for example)
2. The people around might not care (college students in a section of the stadium)
3. There might be a few people smoking and a few vaping, so the people around might not necessarily know who's doing what.



I've seen it too - exactly the opposite. So, I know it would happen. The fact that you've never seen it, doesn't mean it won't happen.

I've never seen a polar bear either, but I don't doubt their existence.

That's the difference between you and me... I want to see proof. I realize not all people live by this idea.

Which is why I KNOW that regulations will be placed on vaping regardless of whether or not there is any proof of their dangers... Or whether or not we cower in fear and act like leppers.... Because some people don't care about proof.

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[ClippinWings]

My other sons Dojo doesn't allow food or drink in it. How dare they!! There's no second had side effects to Doritos and Diet Coke. They have it in for people that snack and drink soda. I will fight them. I will take my grape nehi in there and drink with abandon. I will show them. I will educate them on the fact that me eating doritos doesn't effect others near me. They must not realize this. I have my rights.

Now, I'll leave you all to your "kill em all, let god sort em out" mentality, and the believe that everything is a conspiracy against vapors. Best of Luck to you in your the sun revolves around me world.

What are you babbling about?

Seriously, I think you may be unhinged.

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[ClippinWings]

In Mexico, the vapor attracts no attention whatsoever. The worst problem I have had with vaping in Mexico is waiters courteously trying to light my cigalike ...

Funny... In America it doesn't attract any attention either.

At least in my experience... Definitely nothing negative... Usually inquisitive.

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[Vapo Marx]

I've smoked for well over 40 years and never once saw anyone smoking in a store. Restaurants, bars, theaters, concerts, games, events, picnics, parties, yes of course, but never in a store. But then, I live in Calif. it surprises me how different the states are/were. I almost moved to Oklahoma when I learned they can smoke and shop. OMG! I would love to do that!!!

I'm old enough to remember when you could smoke in supermarkets here in New York. It was kinda gross, actually - ashes and cigarette butts all over the floor. Same with movie theaters; it was a sensible thing when they banished smoking to the lobby and loge areas. But of course, the restrictions on smoking were destined to go far beyond what was merely "sensible."

 

[e-pipeman]

I remember working my way through 20 B&H at the cinema in Staines - the film was "Live And Let Die" and I was young and foolish. Well, managed to beat the "young" thing...

 

[Vapo Marx]

So, somewhat germane due to all this talk of sporting events, tonight is going to be an interesting test for me. I work college football games and tonight's game (the season opener) will be my first as a vaper. The stadium has a vague and inconsistently-enforced smoking policy; smoking is definitely not allowed in the seating areas but may or may not be allowed in the outer perimeters of the stadium, depending on who's got a hair up his ... that day. It'll be interesting to see if anyone says anything about my vaping.

 

[bluecat]

if a restaurant decides they dont' want vaping happening inside their walls thats up to them...and i can choose to either eat there or not...so really its up to both of us

why would you leave a restaurant where someone is vaping though? im just curious...restaurants contain all kinds of smells...food cooking, patrons wearing perfume...body odor of dishwashers and so on...

basically you are just admitting to having a visual reaction to vaping...you should fake cough for added effect as i've seen a number of people do at the baseball stadium

when and if the states do try and regulate them i will go to every public hearing and voice my opposition to anything that restricts it...you know why? because theres aboslutely no reason to restrict it...none whatever...if they do make laws anyway...i will abide by them but until they do, i'm going to vape where I want...it isn't my fault that people are ignorant of what I am doing...and it's none of their business what I am doing anyway, say it with me

"you are free to do whatever you want, until you harm someone else"

show me the harm to someone else and i'll cut it out

Huh? I was a smoker for 30 years. I have been vaping now for over a year. Whether visual, psychological, emotional, physical or whatever it is what it is. Why would you put someone down who has a reaction for whatever reason then whine when you can't vape?

I don't think they should restrict it. I agree. I also of the mind they shouldn't restrict smoking. I believe it is of the establishment to decide. I am just not so narrow minded as to believe that vaping doesn't cause some type of effect on others. Whether it is harmful or not.

Harm is more than physical harm. Like I said expand your mind. Quit being a product of "me". There are others that live on this planet too.

 

[bluecat]

Speaking your mind without a filter can be giving the wrong impression.

You sound like an ANTZ. You will walk out of a restaurant if someone is vaping, you don't see the difference between smoke and vapor equal to drinking beer vs drinking wine vs drinking liquor. My sister who is extremely anti-tobacco isn't as bad as you make yourself sound, I vape at her kitchen table while I couldn't even smoke in her garage.

What wrong impression. So I sound like an ANTZ? So? Is that a derogatory comment or something? Is it supposed to make me feel bad?

I will walk out because I don't want the cloud bothering me when I eat. Just like if I sit down next to someone where a bucketful of perfume I will move as well. Is it that hard to understand?

Me ANTZ? Again.. I smoked for 30 years and have been happily vaping for 1+. I just try to respect others, which seems to be lost in this country.

" I vape at her kitchen table while I couldn't even smoke in her garage." Grats I guess? To each their own.

Some people just don't get it. The ANTZ reference is funny. Just because I don't agree with you you think I am an ANTZ. Common courtesy is lost on some people.

 

[bluecat]

I am very good at seeing the big picture, and I deny that completely.


The people around a smoker will police that smoker themselves.
I absolutely guarantee that.

Actually I was at a Reds game the other night. Some dude lit up a smoke. I don't think he was right in the head in the first place. No one said a word and the dude finished the smoke.

 

[bluecat]

exactly... the assumption that smokers would smoke because vapers vape is insulting to the intelligence and integrity of the public at large.

Because it requires the assumption that the public is too stupid to be able to smell smoke.

With what's been being voted into office and what those elected officials are doing to our rights. I think you are giving the majority of the public to much credit.

 

[Myk]

I think that's being shortsighted.

Naturally, if I start smoking, the person next to me will know.

However, if vaping were allowed in a stadium (for example), there'd be hundreds of people vaping and hundreds (or more) people sneaking smokes too. All around the stadium there's be little puffs of smoke/vap. The powers that be would have no idea which of those plumes belonged to a smoker and which belonged to a vapor. A "smart" smoker would just carry an e-cig too. Security comes up, "are you smoking?". "Nope, vaping" and shows them his e-cig. They leave and a few minutes later he lights up another smoke. It would happen. And it would happen with regularity.

To deny that, is not see the big picture.

As I also mentioned in another thread, I'm very involved in Little League Baseball and we've always had a no smoking policy on the grounds. We also have a no vaping policy, even though several of us vape. It's just logical. We don't want the stands full of what may or may not be smoking. We don't want someone standing off by themselves blowing smoke/vapor and have to send someone to investigate on what it is. We don't want parents of kids to potentially get offended by someone vaping next to them or their kids when it's something that only those +18 can do. I'm sure many of you would disagree with that decision, and a few of you would say "screw it, I'm vaping in the stands while I watch my 7 year old regardless of policy". But, at this time, it was the right decision to make and creates the fewest headaches and issues for a bunch of volunteers donating their time.

Wow
Cigarettes produce ashes and butts plus odor that sticks around. Cigarettes also take a flame to turn on and that flame is bright. A guard may not be able to prove something in your imaginary situation but they would know who to watch and catch.

You really think someone is going to buy an ecig to show to people and never use? If they have an ecig that's allowed why wouldn't they use it instead of breaking the rules on smoking?

Your little league policy is not the right decision. It is an ANTZ decision whether you realize it or not. You use their same Chicken Little excuses which says you don't know who is pulling the strings you're being manipulated by.
I would not allow my kid to play on your team or against your team at your diamond. We need to boycott the nannies.

You keep throwing around possibilities as your excuse, and you're from TX? What about the possibility that we end up not being allowed to do anything because after it's shown people will give in to bans on things that aren't harmful they'll go along with any demands the nannies make?
What if a kid gets hit in the head with a baseball and suffers lifelong brain damage? Maybe we should ban baseball.
It's your senseless rules that cause people to take the opposite extreme and vape everywhere.

 

[Myk]

What wrong impression. So I sound like an ANTZ? So? Is that a derogatory comment or something? Is it supposed to make me feel bad?

I will walk out because I don't want the cloud bothering me when I eat. Just like if I sit down next to someone where a bucketful of perfume I will move as well. Is it that hard to understand?

Me ANTZ? Again.. I smoked for 30 years and have been happily vaping for 1+. I just try to respect others, which seems to be lost in this country.

" I vape at her kitchen table while I couldn't even smoke in her garage." Grats I guess? To each their own.

Some people just don't get it. The ANTZ reference is funny. Just because I don't agree with you you think I am an ANTZ. Common courtesy is lost on some people.

Funny how you wrote the words "sound like" and by the end you claim I think you're are an ANTZ. I guess making up something someone said is easier than fighting against the truth that they actually said.

I don't think you or spartanstew are ANTZ. I think you're both too scared or simple to realize what you are saying is exactly what the ANTZ say thus making it SOUND LIKE you are ANTZ.

Vapor bothers you and you've been vaping over a year??? Seriously?

 

[Uma]

I remember, back when it was ok to be human, and smoke in the movies, the long lines of people waiting to see a movie. From one end of town to the other. Everyone talking, anxiously happy, curious, all dressed up in their newest or most favorite pair of jeans and awesomest top, their hair fixed oh so perfect. People yelling conversations to someone they just saw in line way back a few blocks.
So many of these humans were.... Gasp... Yes, Smoking. And smoking inside too. Omg. Yes. Gasp.
The movie house employed a worker to Sweep Up all litter, between shows. Imagine that. Popcorn bags, soda cups, Raisenette boxes, chewing gum stuck to the floor and seats and get this, tiny little cigarette butts. Disgusting those were, let me tell you. The worst. :roll eyes:
Then they banned smoking. Where'd the long lines go. The reports say that business has picked up all over the state now that smoking is banned indoors. Wow. Ok. Maybe they're just opening the floodgates early. Lets go on in shall we, and hope we can find a seat.
Oh dear. Where is everyone? There are 5 whole couples in this big old building. Gone, empty, deserted.

Then the prices skyrocketed, and even fewer went to see the movies.
Many movie houses closed.
They blamed it on Netflix. ROFL. NETFLIX

 

[bluecat]

Funny how you wrote the words "sound like" and by the end you claim I think you're are an ANTZ. I guess making up something someone said is easier than fighting against the truth that they actually said.

I don't think you or spartanstew are ANTZ. I think you're both too scared or simple to realize what you are saying is exactly what the ANTZ say thus making it SOUND LIKE you are ANTZ.

Vapor bothers you and you've been vaping over a year??? Seriously?

Ummm dude.... read your post I responded to. You stated I sounded like an ANTZ. I was merely responding to you. 6 posts up.. shall I repost your post?

"Vapor bothers you and you've been vaping over a year??? Seriously? " Man dude use your brain or at least read all of what I have been typinf instead of selecting singular words and phrases. Clouds bother me while I am eating. Whether it be smoke, vapor, fog, the wind, smog, or the dude next to me with a bad case of flatulence. Is it really that hard to understand? Is it really that tough to try and respect your fellow citizens. Yes as a smoker.. other people smoking while I ate bothered me. I always asked for the non-smoking section. If they seated us next to smokers I politely asked to be moved, if they didn't have another table I left, politely.

Wooohooo! As far as we know vaping doesn't kill anyone. Now we can disrespect everyone on the planet because the 6 years of studies all say it won't kill people or won't kill as fast as smoking. Woot!

All I ask for is common courtesy. I am sorry you cannot understand that. I am not surprised in this new generation of me me me me.

Scared? yeah that's it.

 

[bluecat]

I remember, back when it was ok to be human, and smoke in the movies, the long lines of people waiting to see a movie. From one end of town to the other. Everyone talking, anxiously happy, curious, all dressed up in their newest or most favorite pair of jeans and awesomest top, their hair fixed oh so perfect. People yelling conversations to someone they just saw in line way back a few blocks.
So many of these humans were.... Gasp... Yes, Smoking. And smoking inside too. Omg. Yes. Gasp.
The movie house employed a worker to Sweep Up all litter, between shows. Imagine that. Popcorn bags, soda cups, Raisenette boxes, chewing gum stuck to the floor and seats and get this, tiny little cigarette butts. Disgusting those were, let me tell you. The worst. :roll eyes:
Then they banned smoking. Where'd the long lines go. The reports say that business has picked up all over the state now that smoking is banned indoors. Wow. Ok. Maybe they're just opening the floodgates early. Lets go on in shall we, and hope we can find a seat.
Oh dear. Where is everyone? There are 5 whole couples in this big old building. Gone, empty, deserted.

Then the prices skyrocketed, and even fewer went to see the movies.
Many movie houses closed.
They blamed it on Netflix. ROFL. NETFLIX

I was furious when they banned smoking.

 

[Uma]

Perhaps you start requesting vaping and non vaping tables then? As many people that frequent restaurants on this economy, running across a pack of vapers is highly unlikely unless they are having a meet. Most people, vapers, are considerate of others, I don't think it's fair to assume that every single vaper is going to be inconsiderate. If I had such a fear, phobia, about fog, vapor, I would seriously consider counseling. Seriously.

 

[bluecat]

Perhaps you start requesting vaping and non vaping tables then? As many people that frequent restaurants on this economy, running across a pack of vapers is highly unlikely unless they are having a meet. Most people, vapers, are considerate of others, I don't think it's fair to assume that every single vaper is going to be inconsiderate. If I had such a fear, phobia, about fog, vapor, I would seriously consider counseling. Seriously.

Please show me where I stated were every vaper is inconsiderate. Do you wish me to point you to threads on ECF where vapers themselves stated I'll vape wherever and whenever I want? To the h3ll with everyone else philosophy. Get out of space threads if I vaping.. I sure have read a lot of threads about vapers where their tone and words really don't mesh with the word "considerate". Unless you and I somehow read different version of Webster's dictionary. I have read some where the vapers said they are and enjoy those.

Ha now show me where I stated I had a fear of clouds. I stated I don't like it when I eat. Also is it so out there that someone doesn't like clouds of vapor in their face? sheeesh. Don't give me the crap about it dissipating. I watch my vape clouds for 30 seconds or more. It is similar to my smoke clouds.

At least stick to what I state and don't try to infer anything into it then pass it off as fact.