Smacking my head trying to remember details... not that long ago someone was telling me they got slapped with a tax bill for imported cigs..I think it was the Indian reservation ones..
Vaping...More harm then good? For me yes...Im done!!!!!!
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Smacking my head trying to remember details... not that long ago someone was telling me they got slapped with a tax bill for imported cigs..I think it was the Indian reservation ones..
wow, i read it all
thanks everyone for the info and opinions, learned a lot
laguna, hope all is well
hope everyone has a great day !
thanks everyone for the info and opinions, learned a lot
laguna, hope all is well
hope everyone has a great day !
Yes, it happens and probably more often than we hear about. I was appalled the first time I heard it, but new case was more reason not to use the net myself. Part of the "Black Market" as they call it, is just the purchase of legal cigarettes that becomes illegal when you cross state lines. I'm sure a lot of NYC's black market is drives to neighboring states like PA to stock up on smokes.
I've got to chime in and say vaping has had the opposite affect on me as far as inhalers are concerned. I have COPD and was using two inhalers before I started vaping and now after 18 months I only use one occasionaly at bedtime. My breathing has improved 1000%. I haven't had a single cold in 18 months either. I just went in for my yearly exam and the VA doc was amazed at my improvement and wanted info to give to other vets that can't quit cigarettes.
I'm still smoking some regular cigarettes along with vaping. I've been keeping a close check on when my shortness of breath occurs and surprise, it's usually about 15 minutes after I've had a regular cigarette. I now think it has nothing to do with PG vs VG, but with the combination of being both a smoker and a vaporer. I'm going to force myself to abandon the cigarettes completely and see the effect. Thank you all for the feedback and support. Damn cigarettes.
I personally feel its the other additives ( Flavoring ) that gives shortness of breath to some people.
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Actually...I have often wondered if vaping is not the direct cause of a specific symptom, but an indirect cause.
For example. We do not know if VG or PG depletes or alters some other substance needed in our body?
To take the hypothesis further, imagine that Laguna's cramps were due to a magnesium deficiency, and that PG for example when vaporized lowers our magnesium levels ...
The lack of magnesium causes cramps, which in turn provokes anxiety and triggers breathing problems ...etc...
Of course the above example is only imaginary.
For example. We do not know if VG or PG depletes or alters some other substance needed in our body?
To take the hypothesis further, imagine that Laguna's cramps were due to a magnesium deficiency, and that PG for example when vaporized lowers our magnesium levels ...
The lack of magnesium causes cramps, which in turn provokes anxiety and triggers breathing problems ...etc...
Of course the above example is only imaginary.
Respiratory problems do cause cramping.
High anxiety causes panic attacks...which in turn cause hyperventilation. In turn, hyperventilation causes excessive oxygen in our bloodstream which causes horrible cramps, and the impression we cannot breathe.
In fact, we need to breathe more co2, hence the paper bag given to people who hyperventilate.
Not sure if this is relevant.
High anxiety causes panic attacks...which in turn cause hyperventilation. In turn, hyperventilation causes excessive oxygen in our bloodstream which causes horrible cramps, and the impression we cannot breathe.
In fact, we need to breathe more co2, hence the paper bag given to people who hyperventilate.
Not sure if this is relevant.
As I posted for someone who had some mouth sores. Try some biotic Silver, It can be found at GNC an other health stores. Works wounders for infections and such. One reason they used to have silver forks an dishes, Capfull a day helps me. i havent been sick in a few years since i started using it. Nor have I had other problems that were not caused by me.
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May I ask, what do you weigh, and how physically active are you?
This is CRAP !!! Where is the follow up post from this person??? Why does ECF allow this type of thread to still persist on this board, it's highly confusing, and UNINFORMATIVE. I'm sure this has turned many New-Ecig users away, and why? Because it's very manipulating.
Like someone else said...
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1 Did you every see a doctor?
2 Why post here with such a "loaded" thread title before seeing a doctor. You have potentially life threatening symptoms and your first thought is to post on a forum?
3 What do you think about E-cigs has possibly caused your health issues? The filler in the carts? The E liquid? Bacterial growth in your e-liquid?
Your post really did nothing to help "us" with "our" journey into e-cig land..It only created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia..You must have known that would be the result of your post.
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I can tell by your posts that your just one of those types of people who have issues as is, and are always searching for the truth of what's causing them. You assume it's Vaping, well I will assume it's YOU.
ECF should archive or remove all of this confusing thread which is a waste of time and not informative!!! You mostly hear from the negatives because the positives usually have no need to gripe, maybe ECF needs to pay more close attention to the negative and make sure it's factual evidence before allowing it to thrive on the board as if it is fact. This is where the haters attack e-cigs, and the smokers who think vaping is a joke, come to slam it.
Like someone else said...
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1 Did you every see a doctor?
2 Why post here with such a "loaded" thread title before seeing a doctor. You have potentially life threatening symptoms and your first thought is to post on a forum?
3 What do you think about E-cigs has possibly caused your health issues? The filler in the carts? The E liquid? Bacterial growth in your e-liquid?
Your post really did nothing to help "us" with "our" journey into e-cig land..It only created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia..You must have known that would be the result of your post.
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I can tell by your posts that your just one of those types of people who have issues as is, and are always searching for the truth of what's causing them. You assume it's Vaping, well I will assume it's YOU.
ECF should archive or remove all of this confusing thread which is a waste of time and not informative!!! You mostly hear from the negatives because the positives usually have no need to gripe, maybe ECF needs to pay more close attention to the negative and make sure it's factual evidence before allowing it to thrive on the board as if it is fact. This is where the haters attack e-cigs, and the smokers who think vaping is a joke, come to slam it.
Hmm I dream of a world where contrary opinion is squashed. Oh wait, I'm there! yay.
Opinions are like A-holes, everyone's got one... So have a proven health section for e-cigs of FACTS, and a separate section for unproven opinions, this should be placed in. That's not squashing, it's just organizing. Duh! Newbies shouldn't be subjected to a view of ur ......!! Now that's another opinion for ya.
I agree 100%! This section of the site is supposed to be for people to voice their concerns about vaping but when they do they get slammed for spreading lies and fear. Vaping shouldn't be a way of life or your religion, it's an alternative to smoking, that's it. If it gets you that upset that someone says something potentially negative about it, then you need to get a life.
If respiratory problems and cramping are known to vapers, then it must be a pretty well-kept secret, I've read thousands of vaper posts, and only heard of a handful of health problems possibly related to vaping, mostly mild dehydration, temporary sore throat, reactions to PG, and one where a vaper was using like 10 times as much menthol crystals as recommended leading to a rash.
99 out of 100 health related posts about vaping are from people relieved that their respiratory function has increased greatly since starting vaping (quitting cigarettes).
I don't see from your original post where you have any evidence that your symptoms are caused by vaping.
Correlation does not imply causation, necessarily.
I realize you are only telling your own personal story, but you didn't even go to a doctor for what seem to be very serious health problems, and you're blaming them on something without any proof. For all you know a doctor could have found a tangible, non-vaping related reason for your symptoms.
Not to mention that inhalers contain, as a non-active ingredient, propylene glycol (PG). So in essence, if someone is using an inhaler, they might as well be vaping.
But I don't think that epinephrine is the active ingredient in OTC inhalers, epinephrine is another name for adrenaline. I think you meant ephedrine, which is in inhalers and diet pills (or was until it was made illegal due to health concerns), and is a form of speed, and likely far more dangerous to someone's health than any ingredient found in an ecig.
If someone is suffering from serious respiratory problems, after having smoked a PAD for 21 years, my bet would be on the cigarettes, and not anything they've replaced them within a few months of quitting smoking - but that's just my opinion.
Cramping is often caused by low oxygen levels, low oxygen levels are a symptom of high carbon monoxide levels, people who smoke have higher levels of carbon monoxide and lower levels of oxygen in their body due to the CO in cigarette smoke. I would imagine that a long term smoker would experience some problems when their body is adjusting to normal (low) CO levels, and normal (higher) oxygen levels after years of torturing their body with dangerous CO exposure.
Vaping shouldn't have any similar effect, because vapor doesn't contain CO.
Doctors know at least a little about the ingredients in ejuice (some of the same ingredients used in inhalers to treat people with respiratory problems), and the effects of quitting cigarettes. Also, what a doctor may be able to do, is to pair up your symptoms with a known disease or reaction to a specific substance, which could eliminate the possibility of the problem being related to vaping (or maybe even suggest that your assumption is correct) - an assessment from a doctor could also lead to a diagnosis of a serious medical problem which otherwise might go undiagnosed.
You quit your inhaler and vaping at the same time, and your symptoms are subsiding. I'm not saying you should have continued to do one or the other, your health is more important than a scientific experiment... but if your symptoms do subside completely, you'll likely never know if it was vaping, or the inhaler that caused them. It is possible that you are allergic to PG, which is in both ejuice, and inhalers.
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