Another mid 30's male chiming in... The panic attacks/depression I used to get immediately after smoking analogs have quit since I started vaping.
Vaping...More harm then good? For me yes...Im done!!!!!!
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Another mid 30's male chiming in... The panic attacks/depression I used to get immediately after smoking analogs have quit since I started vaping.
I can't think of anything in e-cig vapor that would cause panic attacks either. The only thing I can think of is what is NOT in them, namely whatever chemicals in analogs that mimic MAOIs. I would imagine that a person's body could react that way from the lack of whatever they were getting from cigarette smoke. For me it was the opposite, depression and panic attacks stopped when I switched to vaping. It was definitely the analogs that caused it, because I was down to just an occasional (one or two a week) cigarette, and I would only feel that way for 30 minutes to an hour after smoking.
Not to be a contrarian (I agree with much you have said), but the active ingredient in the Primatene Mist inhaler is epinephrine. The main ingredient in the various OTC asthma tablets is psuedoephedrine.
I'm going to take issue with your "if someone is using an inhaler, they might as well be vaping" comment as well. I sincerely doubt anyone using an inhaler is breathing in nearly as much PG as someone who vapes. Most people vape throughout the day, if not all day. An asthmatic only uses an inhaler a handful of times per day as needed.
Hi, I've been having respiratory problems and cramping since I started vaping. Well not really, but everyone's talking to the wall, Laguna6866 has been deceased (from this forum) for months now. Won't this thread EVER DIE!
Could someone please confirm this for me...send me a link to the page of at least one asthma inhaler that contains PG. I have checked ProAir, generic albuterol, Ventolin, Symbicort, Spiriva, and Advair, and not a one contains PG. Yet everybody keeps repeating that PG is in these inhalers. I have asked my pharmacist and he says to his knowledge it is not in any but admitted that he does not know the contents of every pharmaceutical out there. So if you can say, "Yes, Simple, McSnuffy uses PG; go to their web page and look in the product description and it is listed there with all the other ingredients," that would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know, SS. I use albuterol (ProAir) and it does not contain PG. The albuterol is suspended in HFA-134a and ethanol. Primatene uses ascorbic acid, dehydrated alcohol (34%), dichlorodifluoromethane (CFC 12), dichlorotetrafluoroethane (CFC 114), hydrochloric acid, nitric acid, purified water. Primatene Mist (Epinephrine for Inhalation) Drug Information: User Reviews, Side Effects, Drug Interactions and Dosage at RxList
I'm curious where you are even finding the non-active ingredients for any of these inhalers. I'm looking online, on the manufacturers websites, google searches, wikipedia, and I'm not finding any information about any of the ingredients in the ones you listed, other than their active ingredient.
Also, I could be mistaken, but aren't the inhalers you listed prescription? The OP stated that he/she never went to a doctor, so I'm assuming they were using OTC inhalers.
It's rather complicated to explain exactly where on the page it would be, but it is in the prescribing information for physicians and healthcare professionals. There is a list that contains EVERYTHING that is in a given prescription, what the medication is suspended in, what it is preserved with, the molecular weight, etc. That information is usually also included in a prescription. There is also a book called PDR/Physician's Desk Reference and I believe the information may be in there, too.
I read this whole thread back when it was a lot newer than it is now, and I can't remember for sure but I seem to recall that the AP was merely stating that he had not gone back to the physician when all the other many symptoms started to show themselves. For some reason I seem to believe that he had been to a physician when the shortness of breath started, got an inhaler for that, and then the other symptoms developed and it was a steadily deteriorating course for him after he started vaping.
Anyone who has breathing problems should get it checked out, regardless of what they've been inhaling or not, due to the importance of the popular air inhalation function so many of our tissues rely on due to their oxygen addiction.
My sinus spray does contain propylene glycol, so I guess now I'm inhaling it in two (2) helpful forms!
My sinus spray does contain propylene glycol, so I guess now I'm inhaling it in two (2) helpful forms!
All I can say is HOLY CRAP!! I read every word of this thread, it took 2 sittings. I read in bed till 2 am. I got to know a few of you while reading here! The good the bad and the ugly!! I XO think all has been said, but I would like to trail with this...
I've been vaping for about 6 weeks and off analogs for four weeks no took to it like a duck to water. I was a HUGE addict who has tried literally everything and have struggled for years to quit. YEAH!!!! The thought of an analog makes me sick already. I had quit for two years once, but was never able to get off the nicotine gum. This is just my reality for now.
That being said, I have had some symptoms (far worse than analogs though).
I go back and forth between sweating and being cold. OH YEAH, I'm 47 and may be going through menopause!!
I am feeling a bit depressed and can't "get going"! OH YEAH, I'm a teacher and always feel this way in the summer!
I have heart palpitations and panic attacks, OH YEAH, thats why I am on Prozac!
I am not sleeping well at night. Oh! Maybe I need to get some more excercise since I'm not in school!
I have a sore throat sometimes!! Oh yeah, must be cause my awesome order of BWB juice came in and I wanted to try ALL of it
I've been vaping for about 6 weeks and off analogs for four weeks no took to it like a duck to water. I was a HUGE addict who has tried literally everything and have struggled for years to quit. YEAH!!!! The thought of an analog makes me sick already. I had quit for two years once, but was never able to get off the nicotine gum. This is just my reality for now.
That being said, I have had some symptoms (far worse than analogs though).
I go back and forth between sweating and being cold. OH YEAH, I'm 47 and may be going through menopause!!
I am feeling a bit depressed and can't "get going"! OH YEAH, I'm a teacher and always feel this way in the summer!
I have heart palpitations and panic attacks, OH YEAH, thats why I am on Prozac!
I am not sleeping well at night. Oh! Maybe I need to get some more excercise since I'm not in school!
I have a sore throat sometimes!! Oh yeah, must be cause my awesome order of BWB juice came in and I wanted to try ALL of it
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Hello. Wow it took me 2 days to get through this thread. But I'm glad I did. I posted about my experiences elsewhere here, but clearly this should have been the place for it lol. My apologies for similar posts lurking out there. I should have looked around a little longer. My bad.
I quit smoking analogs June 6th, I wasn't a real heavy smoker. Half a pack a day. I took to vaping like a duck to water. I really love it, and all the flavors! Like a kid in a candy store. I also love the money saved. MMM Blueberry Cobbler Gaaaaaaah!
Unfortunately I have developed a hive like rash on my chest the past month. I didn't make the connection to vaping right away and blamed it on stress, heat, etc. I went to my doctor for a physical and while I was there she noticed the rash. I asked if it looked like hives and she asked if it was itchy. The rash really isn't that itchy. I have moments of feeling itchy all over, but the rash itself wasn't really. She noted that the rash is only over the area of my chest where my lungs are situated. We chatted a bit about what I have been eating or doing lately, and the subject of ecigs came up.
It was determined that the rash gets very red and inflamed looking when I vape, have a shower or bath, or get overheated. Ok...... I don't want to hear that this may have anything to do with vaping because I'm not willing to give it up. I love it, and it helped me to quit analogs. She supports the changes that I have made to improve my health, but did mention that a small percentage have reported allergic reactions to PG in the juices. I have never been allergic to anything so far in my life, so maybe I was in denial for awhile and she did point that out to me when I got a tad defensive with her.
Anyway, long story short, I have been talking to a friend on another ecig forum who pointed me towards a supplier who also had a bad reaction to PG, and he is very diligent about making sure his juices are 100% VG. I have ordered some butterscotch 0 nic juice from him and am excited to get it and try my hand at refilling. I am kind of freaked out about that batting stuff in my carts, so have been looking into those stainless steel ones without it, I always felt weird about puffing til I get a burnt flavor. This CAN'T be good for us!
I want to keep this post as close to factual as I can as I saw what happened to others who posted their health issues here.
I asked my doc if the hive like rash could possibly be a side effect of quitting tobacco and she said no.
She suggested I stop vaping immediately to see if the symptoms go away. I had already done this a few days at a time before my appt and knew that the rash did slowly disappear when I didn't vape for 3 to 4 days. But I did it again for her records and she noted that after a week the rash was gone.
Notes were also made that I have been eating the same way for the past 10 yrs. I am a very low carber. I eat greens and protein. And stay away from sugar. I mentioned the fact that sucralose is in many flavors of juice to her, and she said that because I already use splenda in my morning coffees and the odd crystal light I consume once or twice a week, that the rash is not from it either. Although she did mention allergy testing of various things are down the pike for me to be sure of all of this.
So to wrap this all up. I am SO grateful that ecigs were invented. I never thought I would be able to quit this easily. I love vaping and my flavors and I pray that the VG juice will solve my problem for me. I don't plan on vaping forever. But for now, it really is enjoyable to me. If it turns out that VG gives me the same rash. Then I am going to let my doc run the allergy tests on me. How could it be possible to be allergic to both?
Cross your fingers for me. I am vape free til my Butterscotch VG juice gets here. Might be chewing on a few pens til it gets here lol
Back a few dozen posts someone else who had an issue with PG mentioned that they were going to try 100% VG. I didn't see any follow up posts from that person. Does anyone know if he/she was successful?
I quit smoking analogs June 6th, I wasn't a real heavy smoker. Half a pack a day. I took to vaping like a duck to water. I really love it, and all the flavors! Like a kid in a candy store. I also love the money saved. MMM Blueberry Cobbler Gaaaaaaah!
Unfortunately I have developed a hive like rash on my chest the past month. I didn't make the connection to vaping right away and blamed it on stress, heat, etc. I went to my doctor for a physical and while I was there she noticed the rash. I asked if it looked like hives and she asked if it was itchy. The rash really isn't that itchy. I have moments of feeling itchy all over, but the rash itself wasn't really. She noted that the rash is only over the area of my chest where my lungs are situated. We chatted a bit about what I have been eating or doing lately, and the subject of ecigs came up.
It was determined that the rash gets very red and inflamed looking when I vape, have a shower or bath, or get overheated. Ok...... I don't want to hear that this may have anything to do with vaping because I'm not willing to give it up. I love it, and it helped me to quit analogs. She supports the changes that I have made to improve my health, but did mention that a small percentage have reported allergic reactions to PG in the juices. I have never been allergic to anything so far in my life, so maybe I was in denial for awhile and she did point that out to me when I got a tad defensive with her.
Anyway, long story short, I have been talking to a friend on another ecig forum who pointed me towards a supplier who also had a bad reaction to PG, and he is very diligent about making sure his juices are 100% VG. I have ordered some butterscotch 0 nic juice from him and am excited to get it and try my hand at refilling. I am kind of freaked out about that batting stuff in my carts, so have been looking into those stainless steel ones without it, I always felt weird about puffing til I get a burnt flavor. This CAN'T be good for us!
I want to keep this post as close to factual as I can as I saw what happened to others who posted their health issues here.
I asked my doc if the hive like rash could possibly be a side effect of quitting tobacco and she said no.
She suggested I stop vaping immediately to see if the symptoms go away. I had already done this a few days at a time before my appt and knew that the rash did slowly disappear when I didn't vape for 3 to 4 days. But I did it again for her records and she noted that after a week the rash was gone.
Notes were also made that I have been eating the same way for the past 10 yrs. I am a very low carber. I eat greens and protein. And stay away from sugar. I mentioned the fact that sucralose is in many flavors of juice to her, and she said that because I already use splenda in my morning coffees and the odd crystal light I consume once or twice a week, that the rash is not from it either. Although she did mention allergy testing of various things are down the pike for me to be sure of all of this.
So to wrap this all up. I am SO grateful that ecigs were invented. I never thought I would be able to quit this easily. I love vaping and my flavors and I pray that the VG juice will solve my problem for me. I don't plan on vaping forever. But for now, it really is enjoyable to me. If it turns out that VG gives me the same rash. Then I am going to let my doc run the allergy tests on me. How could it be possible to be allergic to both?
Cross your fingers for me. I am vape free til my Butterscotch VG juice gets here. Might be chewing on a few pens til it gets here lol
Back a few dozen posts someone else who had an issue with PG mentioned that they were going to try 100% VG. I didn't see any follow up posts from that person. Does anyone know if he/she was successful?
wow! I feel for you and pray (as welll as fingers crossed, but I believe more in prayer!) that the vg will sove your problem. I too, took two sittings and read EVERY word here! I want to belive that all is good that I never looked back to an analog. Ive been about 5 weeks free. I do worry about my throat. I cant help but go back to the old adaje that "if it too good to be true, it might be"! I want to believe that this has saved my life, but I do have some concerns because I dont do anything half-way. I notice my throat stuck together in the morning after heavy vaping. Now, before I get flamed... I know, everything in moderation, I also know (or believe) that this is better than cigs. I also know that its common for new vapers to over-vape for awhile. I hope that this is my case. I hope for YOU that the vg will diminish the hives!! Did doc say anythingelse about vaping?
Hi and thanks @LauraBolyard Yes my doc said that she has limited experience with them, but that she has seen a few colleagues who used them successfully, and has treated a couple of people with similar complaints as mine. One was seemingly allergic/sensitive to pg. And the other couldn't use pg or vg and ended up going back to tobacco. I told her that is not going to happen to me. She is happy for my progress. It will be 2 months not smoking tobacco cigs as of tomorrow.
Yesterday after a few days of not vaping .... am still waiting for my vg liquid to arrive, I had my first real nicotine urge. It was strong and came up and slapped me hard lol. I didn't want to vape cause the rash was very very light and I was liking that. But the urge got more intense so I tried vaping some blueberry cobbler 0's. That didn't make me happy. So I broke down and had a few puffs of my watermelon 4's. Finally I was feeling more relaxed and was able to carry on with the day.
The next morning. Red inflamed looking chest spots are very bright and noticeable again. grrrrrrrrr
I know I am putting a lot of faith in the fact that the vg will work for me. But I guess I am just concerned that if it doesn't. That I will be left with no alternative.
Have been grilling the experts brains lately about making my own 0 and low nic liquids using glycerine. Don't know where else to go with it if the vg gives me the same hives.
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About your stuck throat. I increased my water intake considerably and that really helped me with the same irritation. How is your water intake right now?
Yesterday after a few days of not vaping .... am still waiting for my vg liquid to arrive, I had my first real nicotine urge. It was strong and came up and slapped me hard lol. I didn't want to vape cause the rash was very very light and I was liking that. But the urge got more intense so I tried vaping some blueberry cobbler 0's. That didn't make me happy. So I broke down and had a few puffs of my watermelon 4's. Finally I was feeling more relaxed and was able to carry on with the day.
The next morning. Red inflamed looking chest spots are very bright and noticeable again. grrrrrrrrr
I know I am putting a lot of faith in the fact that the vg will work for me. But I guess I am just concerned that if it doesn't. That I will be left with no alternative.
Have been grilling the experts brains lately about making my own 0 and low nic liquids using glycerine. Don't know where else to go with it if the vg gives me the same hives.
Sucks
About your stuck throat. I increased my water intake considerably and that really helped me with the same irritation. How is your water intake right now?
I haven't made it through the whole thing but the majority of it; but just want to say> My hubby gave up smoking three yrs ago because of tightness in his chest and difficulty breathing. He used Chantix and has done extremely well, so proud of him. Yet when he thought the return of those symtoms came from a cold from leaving the window open on a cool night he did not go to see a doctor until on a warm Wed afternoon he came in from mowing one strip of our yard profusely sweating! We went and checked his blood preasure, 180/91 . It was the forbearer of a heart attack that we believe was actually begun 3 yrs prior when he had his first symptoms. His doctor said one of his arteries could not be repaired it had been blocked so long. He is only 45!
If you have any new "symptoms" no matter what you are doing, see a DOCTOR! It may save your life! He never vaped by the way. I have not found a single doctor tell me not to vape if it meant I was not using analogs and we've seen quite a few.
If you have any new "symptoms" no matter what you are doing, see a DOCTOR! It may save your life! He never vaped by the way. I have not found a single doctor tell me not to vape if it meant I was not using analogs and we've seen quite a few.
Praying for ya sammy! Good job not breaking down for a smoke, but if ya have to you shouldnt feel bad about it cause if the vg works for you, you should be home-free! When will your order be here!
@calico THAT is scary! Now that im off analogs i need to go have a chest xray and find out what that pain in right lung area was all about. its gone now, but was really irresponsible of me not having it checked all of those months
@calico THAT is scary! Now that im off analogs i need to go have a chest xray and find out what that pain in right lung area was all about. its gone now, but was really irresponsible of me not having it checked all of those months
I think as humans who have smoked we don't want to hear what a doctor might tell us. The dreaded "C" is a horrible thought, but if you get something caught early what ever the diagnosis isn't it worth not suffering any more no matter how little the suffering might be. The original OP right or wrong in his delivery, found more than a vaping issue when he visited the doc. He would have been better off visiting doc earlier even if doc said to quit vaping too. My bullheaded better half didn't want to even get his BP checked even though I knew he was having heart attack symptoms. 2 days later he was almost crying and saying he was sorry to me when they wheeled him in for surgery after the stress test and subsequent heart attack at the facility. Long end of the story if I hadn't at least convinced him to do step1, he wouldn't have gone to prompt care and the test wouldn't have been done and I probably would have lost him too soon.
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