Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?

[VNeil]

I think what you are noting is reason to be cautious about having another smoke.

I would note that I have the cold turkey / relapse experiences you speak of. I literally find it impossible to relapse fully to smoking abusively with the existence of vaping. I think it would be plausible if one were to have a smoke to satisfy some recurring craving they feel they are having AND then make impulse decision to stop vaping for awhile. Without the latter, I would argue intellectually that it would be impossible, or at least very unlikely.

The one thing that does pop up when you have the smoke, which is subtle, but I think (ex)smokers can relate to, is the idea that smoking is perhaps better than vaping. For the vaper who's been vaping for years (and not weeks or a few months), such thinking is ludicrous. Even I as dual user feel vaping is far better. But I think some can remember that when you made the transition, you possibly had thoughts of how is this vaping stuff going to equal the great satisfaction that I strongly believe I get from smoking. Some vapers speak as if all it took was one puff from an eCig to, in that moment, realize they would never smoke again, after enjoying smoking for decades. To them, I don't think this paragraph would ring true or make sense. But how many smokers transitioning do you know, or hear about, that want a flavor that tastes exactly like their brand of smokes? Or the smoker who is stubbornly transitioning and simply can't be open to the idea that one puff is going to magically transform them into vaping fanboy.

With my (open) mind, I could see it as possible that a never smoker who vapes, and then for whatever reason tries a smoke, would find smoking to be better than vaping. I think such data will at some point exist. But, I think it will be so low of a population that it'll be very easy to dismiss as an extreme rarity. I also think that if this same person found themselves fully addicted to smoking, and wanted to break that addiction, they could do so, easily, via vaping. They may like vaping less, but if they hate the addiction to smoking that developed within them, they might like vaping more than that.

I take a rather simplistic view of all this. I know, for an absolute fact, as a rare Ultimate Truth, that if I never take another puff on a cig, I will never relapse back into abusively smoking. I cannot say that with any certainty if smoke another cig.

I also have a lot of historical evidence that I cannot control my smoking. I could never keep my quantity smoked vs time graph even. And if that chart rises, even slightly, then inevitably I'll be back to smoking my old 2-3 PAD.

I respect that that is a personal experience. I have no issue with people that can have an occasional smoke without it relapsing into a regular habit. But I do caution new quitters about my own experiences, and to search their souls to see where they fall on that spectrum.

 

[VNeil]

As far as the "gateway"... it is a statistical fact that life itself is a gateway to smoking for about 20% of the population, and that does not count those that quit at some point along the way. Certainly being a teenager is an intensely strong gateway to smoking. So when I see "zero tolerance" arguments that suggest even minutely small numbers of people smoking after vaping is "unacceptable", I don't get very excited. It is just propaganda. Small numbers of people will do just about anything.

 

[stevegmu]

All these statements right here are why I generally prefer to write a wall of text than use sound bites that speak as if they are factual, but in reality, tell us next to nothing.

Common sense doesn't take paragraphs...

 

[WharfRat1976]

It's always interesting to see the "common knowledge" card thrown at a subject when it doesn't even come up in a google search. Watching people defend the indefensible (in terms of facts) is always so entertaining and fascinating.

You completely did not understand my post. A total whiff. See if you can figure it out. It just requires the smallest amount of thought.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I hear some people have reported this ... however, is nicotine actually being professionally prescribed for these symptoms?

Those points are total malarchy....as well as cow manure.

 

[supertrunker]

All these statements right here are why I generally prefer to write a wall of text than use sound bites that speak as if they are factual, but in reality, tell us next to nothing.

Wall of text. Yes. I prefer to assume that people can use Google and feed it "teen vapers" for example to chew on.

Posts full of links to studies - well, we live in an age where attention spans are short and will be dismissed as TL;DR

T

 

[VNeil]

Those points are total malarchy....as well as cow manure.

Are you doubting the evidence that nicotine has neurological benefits?

 

[Rossum]

Teens try vaping for the clouds and to be cool...

There are far worse things they could be doing in an attempt to be cool.

Besides, clouds and nic two separate things. I vape ~100mg of nic a day without much in the way of clouds at all.

 

[WharfRat1976]

What happens when you Google the words "research has shown" lol.

 

[VNeil]

You completely did not understand my post. A total whiff. See if you can figure it out. It just requires the smallest amount of thought.

Perhaps I am not interested in your games, or trivializing the WWII genocides.

 

[Amraann]

Is there such a thing as moderate COPD and moderate lung cancer?

No thank you!

There is such a thing as moderate COPD.

I have never heard of someone who started vaping (never smoked) and then started smoking.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Perhaps I am not interested in your games, or trivializing the WWII genocides.

You whiffed again. I will PM you...hold on.

 

[Jman8]

Common sense doesn't take paragraphs...

Common stereotyping occurs in soundbites, as my previous post clearly demonstrated. 2 statements on reason why teens vape, and both reaching different conclusion. Thus, not so common on the sense portion of either statement.

 

[VNeil]

What happens when you Google the words "research has shown" lol.

I'm talking about evidence in the form of peer reviewed studies. If you want to blow them away, out of hand, then we cannot have an intelligent discussion.

 

[supertrunker]

There are far worse things they could be doing in an attempt to be cool.

Besides, clouds and nic two separate things. I vape ~100mg of nic a day without much in the way of clouds at all.

T

 

[stevegmu]

Common stereotyping occurs in soundbites, as my previous post clearly demonstrated. 2 statements on reason why teens vape, and both reaching different conclusion. Thus, not so common on the sense portion of either statement.

It seems half the new vapers on here are just looking to blow clouds, yet you seem to think teens, who are indestructible in their own minds, are vaping as smoking cessation?

 

[stevegmu]

There are far worse things they could be doing in an attempt to be cool.

Besides, clouds and nic two separate things. I vape ~100mg of nic a day without much in the way of clouds at all.

I don't care what they do, but find it amusing when some say teens are vaping as smoking cessation. I also don't believe it when they say teens are vaping 0 nic. They may tell their parents that, but I would really find that hard to believe. Same as if little Johnny told his parents he drinks beer, but only non alcoholic beer. Kids are drinking hand sanitizer for a buzz these days...

 

[WharfRat1976]

You are absolutely correct.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Ahhhh, Gotchya[emoji6]

 

[WharfRat1976]

I'm talking about evidence in the form of peer reviewed studies. If you want to blow them away, out of hand, then we cannot have an intelligent discussion.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GOOGLE "PEER REVIEWED STUDIES?" BAWAHAHAHAHA