Vaping Nirvana Yummy Goodness.... NOT

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Proverb31

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Don't expect more from vaping than you got from smoking

So in mid may 2013 I decided to change brands. Next thing I knew I was reading on this forum how I quit. Now I know that sounds odd but I initially didn't think of changing delivery systems as quitting smoking... true though it is not smoke. I struggled to give up cigarettes for years and I had given up on quitting. Now I am smoke free, but I want to share my experience in case others find a moment of frustration.

I bit of background, I have quit for two months before and that seems to be my limit, then something happens and I go back to smoking. Two years ago it was gum that got me to the two month mark, then the sore mouth was more than I could take.

This time to make matters worse I am in the middle of major dental work, 6 crowns and a jaw realignment and my mouth hurts. Last week the dentist put me on a 6 day steroid taper to try and speed heal my mouth some so he can continue his work, we are at the 4 crown mark.. two to go and then the realignment begins.

So I have really devoted some time to vaping, making juices, experimenting with devices, researching for hours each day. I am a college professor so research is natural to me and I am off for the summer and time is plentiful. The nirvana of what vaping should be like if .... you find "that" juice, "that" system, "that" -- you fill in the blank. I bought into it, I too want the best vaping can offer.

I will say what I started with worked, I quit cigarettes poof... didn't want them because I had them only these were electronic ones.

Why did I buy into the idea it could be better. I have wasted a ton of money. Then steroids, oh make my world loopy. They had a strange effect on me, they changed the flavor of things like a roller coaster ride. One minute I couldn't taste a thing, the next everything was delicious. But what goes up must come down. The dentist warned me the last day would be a doozie and I would cry at commercials.... it was normal.

Yesterday I took my last tablet and it was not a day to cry over commercials... it was a day to find no satisfaction in vaping. It tasted like crap. It left a gummy filmy feeling in my mouth, my teeth hurt again I was miserable.

I made a decision, I was going to quit vaping and just smoke until my mouth heeled. I went and bought two packs of cigarettes. I lit one up and couldn't get any decent vapor. The draw was too tight and it was too warm. But ironically it tasted sweet, now I don't remember cigs ever tasting sweet. I smoked ... my mouth still hurt... I gave in and took a pain pill. Woe yea now that is the way a cigarette is suppose to work. LOL ok so they are potent pain pills and I don't like to take pills, but hey they worked. I smoked 17 cigarettes and then they didn't work so well after all.

I got up this morning and I lit my first cigarette, took one drag and put it out. It just didn't satisfy. I picked up my 808 and took a puff, about the same.

Long story, but there is a point. There is no nirvana. There are ways to meet the needs of our addiction. I came to the realization that it is odd to search for an adv, it is time consuming to chase that every elusive vaping nirvana. Cigarettes weren't nirvana, I didn't compare flavors or constantly question if another brand tasted better, had a smoother draw or a warmer smoke. I used my brand and if I ran out and bummed a smoke from someone it just wasn't as comforting as the one I used. Switching brands was an adjustment, but once I adjusted it was a mindless thing to buy what I always bought.

Cigarettes aren't more satisfying, unless you take a potent pain pill to add the extra relaxation illusion. Cigarettes taste like crap, they coat your mouth and make every thing taste like crap. Or we just use them so often our mind shuts off the idea of flavor for them, we don't notice because we taste them constantly so they become in essence flavorless to use.

Why do we expect more from vaping? I didn't until I read all the information I found about vaping... I started reading to see if it was safe or at least not more deadly than cigarettes. Yesterday was a big frustration and that was a side effect of steroids prescribed to help heal my beat up mouth, which doesn't help with vaping or eating or smoking for that matter.

For individuals who are still trying to find a device or nicotine liquid that will meet the standards of a cigarette by all means keep looking. But I want to say to all of those who have something that works, it keeps them from wanting a cigarette, don't keep trying in the hopes of finding vaping nirvana or a flavor that rocks your world. If you find it, it will tend to fade with frequent use. I for one am going to try to accept this works and it doesn't have to be like a box of chocolates and it doesn't get better. It substitutes for a cigarette and it works.

I honestly think the idea that I am missing something, that I don't know what I am missing because I quit with a kr808 is a lie. a kr808 worked for me and it works best for me. I don't like plumes of vapor it gets in my way. I don't want a huge device, although I like the battery life on both my vamo and itaste, I want a 510, kr808 d1 or d2. And cigarettes don't satisfy better... they just deliver nicotine in a different way.

I vaped liked a chimney for two months and I smoked like a chimney last night trying to find that nirvana. It doesn't exist. I for one think we all need to be gentle with ourselves, but realistic about what nicotine can do for you. My advice ... don't expect more from vaping than you got from smoking. I for one am going to try to return to my old routine only I am going to keep a kr808 and some prefilled cartos in my cigarette case now.
 

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You pretty much got to the road I am at. I was/am just happy to be cig free. I am not looking for better delivery devices than what I found 1 month in to vaping. The Nova. The only thing I did get was a device where I could just switch out the actual battery instead of losing the whole device while it was charging. My liquids have basically been narrowed down to 3 and I have no interest in trying others at this point. 5 months into vaping I found the NET's that I am using now. No chasing the liquid tiger..... I got it by its tail already. :D

For now I am happy and content. I will never say never. I said I would never give up smoking......... :p
 

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Wow, I'm sorry to hear all about the dental work Proverb. That in itself is a downer - and it could be that the chemicals in cigarettes removed the nerve pain, and then when you quit and your gums started to become more sensitive that's when the trouble began to really make itself known. You are correct that nicotine will only take you so far - remember that there are MOIA's in cigarettes and along with the steroids you're taking - and up till recently the MOIA's you weren't taking through cigarette smoking can really do a number on you. I think it's probably all a bit like AA - taking it a step at a time and knowing that there's nothing better than a smoke or a drink, but also knowing that it will kill you if you don't bumble and struggle your way through it and just beat it with willpower. To help your willpower there are e-cigarettes - some folk take to them instantly - others it can take a while and for others it doesn't really cut the mustard at all for whatever reason. If you can find something you're happy with then great. Contentment is a very underrated condition. Some must pursue that undefined goal of "perfection". Some get carried away with the pursuit of toys. Sorry -it's sounding like a microcosm of the world, but being reasonably and realistically content with your lot is really not a bad thing at all.
 

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You sound like you're on the VapeQuestTM.

It's a lot like the Zen Path. It never ends and it features instances of sheer joy and absolute frustration; total victory and abject defeat. But it never ends, and you should never stray from the path, because it is the only way to Nirvana.

Ohm.

Whenever I get frustrated by the lack of flavor in a juice I'm vaping, I crack open a beer and down a few mouthfuls. Nothing cleanses the palate better than a carbonated, fermented beverage.
 
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I never wanted a vaping nirvana. I only looked for my happy. For me, it's an ego connection and a long-life battery.
I'm happy with that and do not need a prothingy or a DNX hat box... I have what makes me happy and I'm good for now. :)
Ohhh what's a DNX hat box? (I did Google before asking lol)
 

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Funny enough it was steroids prescribed for a shingles outbreak that started me on my current path. I'm a convert from cloves, and I could never find a good "clove" juice but menthol juices seemed to satisfy the taste need. I may be more addicted to the oral fixation part as opposed to nicotine, as I was able to lower my levels to 6mg pretty quickly. I've been vaping for about a year, and my "nirvana" seems to actually be the choices out there. My tastes for different flavours generally change throughout the day, at the moment I have three different flavours to choose from sitting on my desk. I'm not looking for "that one flavor," but looking around for "hmmmm, I'm in the mood for..." Then there's the fact that I am a tinkerer(erererer....) and the mechanical aspect of the different types of atomizers with different wicks and coils along with the different mods available just, scarily enough, gets me excited for what has become a new hobby.
Someone a couple posts up talked about the similarities to gaining sobriety through AA, and I can totally relate to that: as a sober member of AA, I have found a new way of looking at my addiction, found different ways in how to maintain it as I grow, and have found many new friends to help me along. With this forum, the shops in my area, and the people I meet just on the street, vaping has broadened my life in ways that go way beyond just putting down cigarettes. I guess my point is that this doesn't have to be about just quitting smoking, nor can you expect a "magic" combination of juice, battery, and tank that will carry you through. There is a reason we talk about a "path to enlightenment," the destination isn't really the point.
 

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Thank you to each of you who replied to this thread, it is good to read all the view points. Some how I got carried away with the idea it could be better, from reading this forum, when it was fine. I am blessed to have had such luck so far. I didn't intend to quit, and I am not sure I really have. I don't smoke, but I feed my nicotine addiction. Maybe someday I can give that up, or not. For now I've taken a small step to limit the damage nicotine does. I like my cig-a likes.. and settled for owning 12 batteries.. back ups for back ups and I can charge them 6 at a time. Hopefully life will return to normal and I won't always be absessed with not having a cigarette today. I think I am almost there, and I have a pack and 1/4 in the cupboard. I am not nor have I ever been one who could own a cigarette and not smoke it. I could never understand the will power of folks who kept one pack just in case. But now I have them, and when I bought them I fully intended to smoke them all, but I just don't want them. They give me the same nicotine that my 808 does, and I feel this is the healthier choice, and quite frankly I don't want to switch back. Switching brands is tough, you get use to the flavor or draw. I laughed at myself when I was frustrated with the draw and output of a cigarette. Seriously in the 30+ years I smoked never once did I question the drag on a cigarette. Obviously I wasn't meant to do drugs... they make me weird, for now I am good and an occasional aleve is taking care of pain.
 

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Thank you to each of you who replied to this thread, it is good to read all the view points. Some how I got carried away with the idea it could be better, from reading this forum, when it was fine. I am blessed to have had such luck so far. I didn't intend to quit, and I am not sure I really have. I don't smoke, but I feed my nicotine addiction. Maybe someday I can give that up, or not. For now I've taken a small step to limit the damage nicotine does. I like my cig-a likes.. and settled for owning 12 batteries.. back ups for back ups and I can charge them 6 at a time. Hopefully life will return to normal and I won't always be absessed with not having a cigarette today. I think I am almost there, and I have a pack and 1/4 in the cupboard. I am not nor have I ever been one who could own a cigarette and not smoke it. I could never understand the will power of folks who kept one pack just in case. But now I have them, and when I bought them I fully intended to smoke them all, but I just don't want them. They give me the same nicotine that my 808 does, and I feel this is the healthier choice, and quite frankly I don't want to switch back. Switching brands is tough, you get use to the flavor or draw. I laughed at myself when I was frustrated with the draw and output of a cigarette. Seriously in the 30+ years I smoked never once did I question the drag on a cigarette. Obviously I wasn't meant to do drugs... they make me weird, for now I am good and an occasional aleve is taking care of pain.

Yeah, it's amazing how some of this stuff can change what feels like your "core being" and make you question all sorts of things. You're in a state of flux, you know what you want to do. Don't beat yourself up for having a few analogs. Glad to hear you're on the mend, and remember, we're all here to help you along whatever path you take!
 

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Thank you to each of you who replied to this thread, it is good to read all the view points. Some how I got carried away with the idea it could be better, from reading this forum, when it was fine. I am blessed to have had such luck so far. I didn't intend to quit, and I am not sure I really have. I don't smoke, but I feed my nicotine addiction. Maybe someday I can give that up, or not. For now I've taken a small step to limit the damage nicotine does. I like my cig-a likes.. and settled for owning 12 batteries.. back ups for back ups and I can charge them 6 at a time. Hopefully life will return to normal and I won't always be absessed with not having a cigarette today. I think I am almost there, and I have a pack and 1/4 in the cupboard. I am not nor have I ever been one who could own a cigarette and not smoke it. I could never understand the will power of folks who kept one pack just in case. But now I have them, and when I bought them I fully intended to smoke them all, but I just don't want them. They give me the same nicotine that my 808 does, and I feel this is the healthier choice, and quite frankly I don't want to switch back. Switching brands is tough, you get use to the flavor or draw. I laughed at myself when I was frustrated with the draw and output of a cigarette. Seriously in the 30+ years I smoked never once did I question the drag on a cigarette. Obviously I wasn't meant to do drugs... they make me weird, for now I am good and an occasional aleve is taking care of pain.

Except for the misinformation of nicotine being harmful... It's only approximately as addictive and harmful as caffeine. Some vapers even find they don't need that morning cuppa anymore. Nicotine helps you focus and concentrate, is a mild anti-depressant and has been used to successfully slow down altsheimers(sp).
TOBACCO on the other mutant flipper... Bad juju!
 

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Except for the misinformation of nicotine being harmful... It's only approximately as addictive and harmful as caffeine. Some vapers even find they don't need that morning cuppa anymore. Nicotine helps you focus and concentrate, is a mild anti-depressant and has been used to successfully slow down altsheimers(sp).
TOBACCO on the other mutant flipper... Bad juju!

Yes, that is what I've read, but from my personal experience I think nicotine is more addictive for me than caffine, yet those two are linked. I may be a bit off if I don't get my coffee in the morning, but I will happily accept a mountain dew to compensate, were if I didn't have my smoke I would be almost dangerous.. irritated to the tenth power and replacements like a patch weren't acceptable.

For now for me, I've decided to keep it to nicotine level and just get use to life like this. I think chasing a flavor and ingnoring nic level was part of my issue. I switch with 36 mg and it was pretty easy, then the next vendor only offered 24 now I needed to vape all the time and the batteries wouldn't stay charged .... then this one only offered 18 mg... oh have mercy I now needed tanks and gigantic batteries and my mouth dried out etc.

I simple dose of 36 mg works for me, it isn't about flavor, what I need for now is nicotine strong enougth to do its job in a few hits. I counted drags on cigarettes the other night. For me and my preferred puff style 10 drags wasn't even 25% of a cigarette, so I confirmed what I believed the 10 drags per cigs was just not right. I counted about 32 drags per cigarette for me. 10 short and fast, then 22 at a slower pace still short except for the last two were I guess I try to suck as much nicotine as I can because I can see it is going out.

At 36 mg, ten drags will sooth me and that is what I am looking for, now I am aware and counting and then I put it down for a while. Like I use to put a cigarette out in an ash tray.

Yesterday I made two batches of 36 mg juice (50 ml each). I didn't fuss with tasting it forever or try to get the mix right. I just decided if it tasted like crap I would vape it knowing it was the right strength. I made one batch of 7% pear and one batch of 1.5% chocolate with 1% espresso. My goal is to find a routine and not have to fuss with vaping so much, just do it for the nicotine. I took all my other juices and boxed them and put them in the cupboard to streamline my drawer where I keep supplies. I have my batteries, cartomizer and juice and there is plenty of room to work without having to dig everything out and string it across the room. I hope this helps me just move on and maybe on my journey I will find that one day I too can wake up and not care if I don't have my morning vape, but for now I doubt that. I think cutting the nicotine rapidly and without limit, like sure I'll vape 6 mg just more of it wasn't a good choice for me.
 
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