Vaping on the job...might terminate this job??

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An odd & unexpected dilemma. I've been so excited about vaping 'on the job' I've been out of work a while & I've wondered how working & vaping...would work. I'm beginning to explore my dream of working in the medical field working as a CNA (it's a start!). I could have most likely taken a position in a rest home or elderly home or the like. As it is I've taken a position in home health, which I think I'll much prefer, other than this job doesn't offer benefits, & I need benefits.

She is a hospice patient in late stages of COPD, as a result of smoking her whole life. I know her daughter smokes, of course not in the home. I'm working 12 hour shifts 3-4 days a week, 8am to 8pm.

I am usually the only other person in the home during my work day, other than my sweet patient. It's come up that I use an ecig & am a past smoker. We didn't talk about it in great detail. So I have been occasionally vaping away from my patient off the kitchen towards the den, or if I step out to put out trash I'll grab a puff. My patient is in the living room on the other side of the home- probably 700 feet away. So today the patients adult kids were there, & at 2 opportune moments, I excused myself to walk out by my car outside the den door, near the trash can & take a couple puffs. These have been moments I know I'm not needed & can take 1 or 2 minutes outside. I don't usually go outside.
So the daughter asked if I was going out to smoke & I said no, I use an ecigarrette & went outside to take a couple of vapes. She asked if I went outside usually & I admitted, no I don't leave the home or your mom, I vape off the kitchen towards the den. She said she'd heard it to be very dangerous. I smiled anxoiusly & said I'll have to disagree with that. She said she'd heard that sometimes if it were 'shared', bacteria could be passed along & exhaled into the air! I said I'd never heard anything like that & anyhow maintained my vmod on a regular basis & it was clean. She seemed satisfied, & most concerned that I was not being neglectful & leaving her mom alone to 'go vape', which I assured her I was not. We didn't have time to discuss it further right then.
So it appears to have been resolved, I have not been asked to not vape, but I'm afraid it will come up again.
So what a wierd dilemma!! I fully understand, in their position being concerned about all this. Thier mom is dying & uses an oxygen tank & can't walk more than a step before becoming terribly winded & needing 5 to 10 minutes to move again, say from the bed to the cammode to the chair next to the bed. One of these 3 positions is where she spends every day, will continue to spend every day for the rest of her life. She doesn't have the strength or breath or lung capacity to do any more, & I've a feeling that will rapidly get worse soon. I get the sense she is just trying to get through this holiday... She is 76 years old.
So now I almost feel guilty having a vape. Am I doing anything wrong? I don't think so! But I feel very odd about the situation suddenly. Would love some thoughts & feedback on this. What do I do if they ask me not to vape in the home? I suggested I could step out the kitchen glass slider, where I could see her & she could see me, but they were worried about the draft of the door being opened. They have the right to ask me not to vape (they've not yet requested that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do), I'm working for them in their home. What will I do with my nicotine addiction on a 12 hour shift?? I hate to think that making this change to vaping, that I deeply & sincerely believe has saved my life, could so ironically jeopordize my new job.
On a personal note, the patient & I get along wonderfully & are working very well together, the family hugs me & appears to greatly appreciate what I'm doing & appear to like me too....
Thanks for listening & for any possible feedback or thoughts!
Steph
 

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One thing you can do as an alternative to vaping is to get strong, unflavored PG only nic juice and drop a few drops on the skin. Works similar to a nicotine patch, but cheaper and more of a one bit at a time method (rather than an all day patch). I find it to be more effective than a patch, and do this on flights and areas where I cannot vape. PG works better than VG in this case as its thinner, VG seems to not absorb so well.

I personally would stealth vape anytime I used the restroom if I were in your situation, though.
 

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Thanks guys for your replies!
Starlight, actually, it's not been discussed. I would expect so, but there really isn't a time & place for a '15 minute break', there's no one to relieve me & I can't & won't leave her 'alone'. I eat breakfast, lunch, & dinner with my client when I'm working the 12 hour shift.
Base, thank you, hopefully this will continue to be the case :) If it does come up & I'm asked not to vape inside the home, I don't see any option but to respect & honor that request... lots more swedish snus may be the solution possibly, having a hard time visualizing not vaping at all for 12 hours though!
Bootstand, thank you for the suggestion! I will definitely try a drop or two on the wrist & experiment with that! And I'll admit I've stealth vaped in the bathroom a few times as well, it seems like a good time & place!
 

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PG is an air and surface disinfectant. Montana doesn't have a law that says employers must provide any breaks or meal periods. So federal law kicks in and that doesn't force employers to do so either. .

from Wage and Hour FAQ

Rest and Meal Periods

Q. What are the rest-break and meal-period requirements?

A. There is no state or federal law that requires an employer to give a break (rest periods or coffee breaks) or a meal period. This is a benefit that the employer may choose to provide. However, if a break is offered, the break time is considered as paid time. In the case of meal periods, they are not considered paid time if the meal period is half an hour or longer and the employee is completely relieved from duty.

Anyone interested in their state law can start here Ohio Wage and Hour Laws - EmploymentLawHandbook.com

The feds page http://www.dol.gov/compliance/topics/wages-other-breaks.htm
 
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The world hasn't caught up yet - it's a shame. Me? - Honestly, I'd be very, very sneaky, knowing that I was actually doing no one harm. I'd use the bathroom. I'd stroll outside during break, and stealth. I'd have a copy of something explaining it all in my glove box on the off-chance that I was discovered and take my chances, but very cautiously. When I worked hospice I'd vape in the homes of patients who were discrete and interested and I turned several on to vaping - safe around oxygen and a relief for shaky hands that might drop a cig and catch a bed on fire - several were converted but I always worried about what the boss would say.
 

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It is a common misconception that labor laws require your employer to provide you with 2 15 minute breaks and lunch break. Most all states an employer could work you straight through your shift without any breaks at all. My employer feels that the time driving to my next call is my break so I don't get any. I do get an un paid lunch break but most times I just eat while driving to my next call so I can get off work earlier.
 

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Thanks everyone! Maybe I was too honest - I wish I'd felt more prepared for the question, I think I didn't handle it very well either. I was somewhat interested in sharing it with her daughter, as I'm always interested in sharing my ecig experience with smokers & have helped more than a few convert to vaping :) The daughter appears very closed minded to it, but who knows. I read something last night - I googled "are ecigs dangerous" & came up with this link to ban the ecig & it had terrible horribly false info about the ecig... lets see if I can link it... here - Why Ban E-Cigs in No-Smoking Sections - it's the first link that came up. I can see if someone were concerned & googled for info & this crap came up, why there would be concern for someone who didn't know any better. This article made me mad when I read it!! If this is the overwhelming info out there, I fear the world may never catch up, aubergine! With Big Tobacco out there fighting against the ecig as they catch on more & more, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the sort of info people might get instead of the facts. I will put together some good facts for future reference to keep in my car that I can easily access to show good healthy inspirational facts! That's a great idea! I will stealth vape!
Thanks again everyone for your replies! :) I'm not so worried about losing the job anymore, I'm sure it can be worked around!
 

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Good luck with everything i'm sure you'll figure out what to do i like the bathroom idea as i have vaped in public bathrooms with people in there and no one knew a thing lol. Also think that if you did provide your employer with a facts sheet if asked not to vape, that it would help. But it seems by what you have said that your employer liked what you had to say about it and is ok with it now :)

also love your doggy too, we uses to have a chocolate lab named Missy i loved that dog :) , before we got out news addition Sophie our yellow lab
 

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They'll catch up. NYT ran a VERY positive front-page story on 'em recently. Meanwhile I also hate trying to explain things to the passionately misinformed, and avoid it. I've learned to expect some fascinated, very positive responses, some really ridiculous freak-outs, and some cautious but genuinely receptive interactions. More and more I get, "Yeah I tried 'em. Got 'em at the gas station. Didn't work, disgusting. But what's THAT thing?" That's when I'm glad for this forum; I can just refer for seriously needed upgrades f they're further interested.
 

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I would advise to goto CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association and visit their resources page...there is a ton of factual info there and much available to you to print to counter what folks don't know...find something there and print it up...do not give it to the family unless the question comes again...that way you will be prepared for the "next time"...........
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Actually PG is pumped into air systems in hospitals to fight bacteria on top of that you mentioned that she had COPD. I am sure she is taking some form of breathing treatments? I say this because my dad has COPD and he vapes this big plastic pipey looking thing lol

Anyway guess what one of the prime ingredients of that is.....PG yep thats right. That dear lady is likely getting more PG in her system than you are! Its used in almost everything it seems, include ivs, injected meds, etc. look it up.

Now nic could be a issue IF you were breathing right in her face but even sitting in the same room with her would not be enough to cause harm. the vapor does not carry like smoke does. But honestly i would say unless they bring it up again then let it slide.
 
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