Vaping vs Smoking Equivalent Nicotine Intake - Does Vaping Cause Way Higher Nicotine Intake?

[englishmick]

I started replying to this before but didn't get to finish it.
Ya see, we have that great NY taste in Cubes.
I see no reason why we can't gang up in a cool NY-ish way on other people! Snark rules, okay?

You think you NY guys are snarky? Wait until you cross swords with an English boy. I have irony and long words and all sorts at my disposal.

 

[Nancy D]

You think you NY guys are snarky? Wait until you cross swords with an English boy. I have irony and long words and all sorts at my disposal.

What guys?! lol Umm, yeah, pretty sure we can outsnark you! Dispose of your long words and irony, sir. We will have none of it (and the rest of Branagh's St. Crispins Day speech!)
Anyhoo, why you living in the States, you expatriate!!

 

[DaveP]

This government study with actual doctors and lab technicians is probably the most accurate. They drew blood at periodic intervals to see how much nic was being absorbed. It's also interesting that the vapers were using 18mg juice. The study talks about a "new generation" vaping device. I wonder if it was similar to the juul which is a high nic device.

Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between experienced consumers (vapers) and naïve users (smokers)

Abstract
Electronic cigarettes (ECs) are nicotine delivery devices that are proposed as tobacco harm reduction products to smokers. Nicotine delivery from ECs is potentially important in their efficacy as smoking substitutes. Herein, nicotine delivery from using a new-generation EC device (variable-wattage, set at 9 W) was evaluated, comparing experienced (vapers) with naïve users (smokers). Twenty-four vapers and 23 smokers participated to the study. They were asked to obtain 10 puffs in 5 minutes and then use the EC ad lib for 60 more minutes (total duration of use: 65 minutes). An 18 mg/mL nicotine-containing liquid was used. Blood samples were obtained at baseline, 5-minutes and every 15 minutes thereafter, while number of puffs and average puff duration were recorded. Although at baseline both groups had similar plasma nicotine levels, smokers consistently exhibited lower levels at all time-periods; at 5-minutes the levels were lower by 46%, while during the subsequent period they were lower by 43% (at 65-minutes) to 54% (at 20-minutes). Both groups took similar number of puffs, but smokers had average puff duration of 2.3 s compared to 3.5 s in vapers. Even in vapers, plasma nicotine levels at 5 minutes were lower than those observed after smoking 1 tobacco cigarette.

 

[F-machine]

Anyhoo, why you living in the States, you expatriate!!

Aren't you all? Time to leave this thread!

Cheers!

 

[DaveP]

I think I like Vape Box's evaluation better.

How Many Puffs of Vape Nicotine Equal One Cigarette?

 

[englishmick]

What guys?! lol Umm, yeah, pretty sure we can outsnark you! Dispose of your long words and irony, sir. We will have none of it (and the rest of Branagh's St. Crispins Day speech!)
Anyhoo, why you living in the States, you expatriate!!

Someone's got to keep an eye on you.

 

[Rossum]

I think I like Vape Box's evaluation better.
How Many Puffs of Vape Nicotine Equal One Cigarette?

More than Dr. F's study of plasma levels?

Despite the fact that Vape Box's "evaluation" is full of inaccuracies?

• Calling 12mg "high nicotine"
• Recommending: "6mg+ - good for heavy cigarette smokers and smokers of unfiltered cigarettes."
• Stating that Juul uses 50mg liquid. It doesn't. It's 5% by weight, but since their mixture of PG and VG is more dense than nicotine itself, that works out to 59 mg/ml.
• Stating that Juul pods contain 1 ml of liquid. They don't, they contain 0.7 ml.
• This one really gets under my skin: Several uses of the word "burn" in reference to e-liquid, e.g.: "salt nic juice will be vaped on a small vape pen and will burn juice much slower."
• The atrocious grammar all over that page.

 

[Nancy D]

Aren't you all? Time to leave this thread!

Cheers!

Yep, we're in the US.
That post is what passes for wit over here in my house--not the whole country!

 

[Nancy D]

Someone's got to keep an eye on you.

Lol. The gov here is creepy enough, as it is.
Thanks, vaping chum!

 

[ChelsB]

Yeah, why IS 12 mg considered high? Seems like an arbitrary number to me.

More than Dr. F's study of plasma levels?

Despite the fact that Vape Box's "evaluation" is full of inaccuracies?

• Calling 12mg "high nicotine"
• Recommending: "6mg+ - good for heavy cigarette smokers and smokers of unfiltered cigarettes."
• Stating that Juul uses 50mg liquid. It doesn't. It's 5% by weight, but since their mixture of PG and VG is more dense than nicotine itself, that works out to 59 mg/ml.
• Stating that Juul pods contain 1 ml of liquid. They don't, they contain 0.7 ml.
• This one really gets under my skin: Several uses of the word "burn" in reference to e-liquid, e.g.: "salt nic juice will be vaped on a small vape pen and will burn juice much slower."
• The atrocious grammar all over that page.

 

[Electrodave]

More than Dr. F's study of plasma levels?

Despite the fact that Vape Box's "evaluation" is full of inaccuracies?

• Calling 12mg "high nicotine"
• Recommending: "6mg+ - good for heavy cigarette smokers and smokers of unfiltered cigarettes."
• Stating that Juul uses 50mg liquid. It doesn't. It's 5% by weight, but since their mixture of PG and VG is more dense than nicotine itself, that works out to 59 mg/ml.
• Stating that Juul pods contain 1 ml of liquid. They don't, they contain 0.7 ml.
• This one really gets under my skin: Several uses of the word "burn" in reference to e-liquid, e.g.: "salt nic juice will be vaped on a small vape pen and will burn juice much slower."
• The atrocious grammar all over that page.

He also states that salt nicotine is harsher than freebase. As a high nic salt nic user, I can assure you that salt nic is much less harsh.

Do you think I should get one of those special nic salts mods? I'd hate to think that I've been doing it wrong all of this time. My Provaris are a few years old, so they don't have a "salt nicotine" function.

 

[jandrew]

He also states that salt nicotine is harsher than freebase. As a high nic salt nic user, I can assure you that salt nic is much less harsh.

Do you think I should get one of those special nic salts mods? I'd hate to think that I've been doing it wrong all of this time. My Provaris are a few years old, so they don't have a "salt nicotine" function.

If you place your provari in the center of a ouija board, surround it with a circle of salt, and clap your hands three times while saying 'klaatu barada nikto', it will then function fine with salt-nic ... please have a video camera running though, if you do it wrong a multitude of demons will spring forth and the found footage will make a great movie.

 

[Electrodave]

What if I don't have a Ouija board? Maybe they sell them on Amazon.

I was just now testing something out. I'm running out of salt nic, so I decided to revisit freebase. I haven't used freebase at all since I went up from 15mg to eventually 25mg. I used 9ml of 6mg commercial ejuice (as a flavoring) and 16ml 25mg VG nic base, for about 19mg. I mix ejuice in 30ml graduated bottles. Since I only use enough flavoring to cover up the taste of the cotton (0.25%-0.50%), steeping is kind of irrelevant.

The commercial ejuice--Dewwy by Eliquid Depot--was also 70/30 VG/PG. I haven't had PG in my juice since I first ditched the commercial ejuice. This juice has so much flavoring in it that it's seriously present even 2/3 diluted. I'm vaping it now out of a Kanger Subtank Mini--1.2 ohms at 11W.

So there are two possible sources of increased harshness here. The PG, and the freebase nic. I can tell the difference easily, since I'm such a fan of smooth, cool vapes.

The PG definitely makes its presence felt. Not enough to really add harshness so much as to erode smoothness. I don't think the freebase is a big factor there. Overall, it's not as smooth as my usual max VG/salt nic, but it's not badly harsh, either.

The freebase nic is definitely having an effect, though. It "stings" your mouth a lot more than salt nic does.

 

[Coyote628]

Just easier to ask us the same question over and over until they get the answer they're already looking for.

I work in a call center and people dont always get the answers they are looking for. Kills me when after telling them the answer to their question, they twist the question around expecting a different answer. My thoughts on the OP here, worries too much about something that doesnt matter and i think he wont be back.

 

[DaveP]

More than Dr. F's study of plasma levels?

Despite the fact that Vape Box's "evaluation" is full of inaccuracies?

• Calling 12mg "high nicotine"
• Recommending: "6mg+ - good for heavy cigarette smokers and smokers of unfiltered cigarettes."
• Stating that Juul uses 50mg liquid. It doesn't. It's 5% by weight, but since their mixture of PG and VG is more dense than nicotine itself, that works out to 59 mg/ml.
• Stating that Juul pods contain 1 ml of liquid. They don't, they contain 0.7 ml.
• This one really gets under my skin: Several uses of the word "burn" in reference to e-liquid, e.g.: "salt nic juice will be vaped on a small vape pen and will burn juice much slower."
• The atrocious grammar all over that page.

I've never used a pod.

The article was obviously written by a DTL vaper and I agree that it wasn't as structured and detailed as Dr Farsalinos' study. I have 12mg and 3mg juice mixed. I tend to carry a tank filled with 12mg when I'm away from home just because I can go all day on a 4.5ml tank. I vape 3mg at home, especially late in the day, but I'm a MTL type.

 

[Cooperant]

Snarky comment that didn't add much of use. Time to go out and enjoy the sunshine. Have a happy day!

 

[Electrodave]

Update--After a couple of hours, I threw the ejuice with the freebase nic and PG away. It just kept getting harsher and harsher as the morning went on, it seemed. Salt nic definitely irritates the mucous membranes much less than freebase nic does.

 

[Nancy D]

This is posting twice so, nice guitar, Dave!

 

[Nancy D]

Know what you mean. I broke out some juice with 70/30 VG/PG 12mg (a lot for me sub ohm) freebase last night, and immediately started dry coughing and got a sore throat. Added 3mg Max VG in the tank and got over it, thankfully.
I was hoping to convince myself that PG is no prob for me as base, not just flavoring. But have one brand of salt nic with 70/30 thats fine. I need to make my own soon, sigh.

 

[Rossum]

Salt nic definitely irritates the mucous membranes much less than freebase nic does.

That's because freebase nic is quite alkaline. But this is also what produces the throat hit that some of us crave. Protonating the nic by nixing it with some acid(s) can bring its pH down toward neutral.