Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread

[yo han]

I know I have no right to be upset but I was the one who initially contacted Doris & explained the FT SXK situation and told her that while I was not interested in one myself, several ECF members were and I asked her to help you all out. I'm happy Bloke took the reins from there with Doris to purse it further, but still feel like I have let Doris down.

OK and what if it turns out they're going to sell loads of them because they're in high demand? Would you still feel you let her down? You and TheBloke (and anyone else who's contacted her) made her aware of the fact that fasttech doesn't sell them anymore so they don't have to compete with them. That, plus the fact that lots of people are talking about it and asking where to order one for a reasonable price.
I probably end up buying one anyway but was just worried about the incorrect resistance readings, something I wasn't aware of when I first contacted Doris. I didn't say I was buying it elsewhere.

 

[TheBloke]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to make yourself feel good. Especially love the part about how you got her to order the units for you by convincing her that setting a higher unit price than she felt they would sell for would sell more units when it is a price that you yourself aren't willing to pay after she has acquired the products at their expense for you.

Cost is the least important factor, as I already said:

I'll buy one from her as soon as the resistance problems are fixed; I don't want three with the low resistance, but I certainly want at least one that doesn't have it, and it's very unlikely that Quantum's batch will have the fix.

More importantly, she hasn't acquired anything for me, or any other single person. She's arranged a sample and said, as thanks for convincing her of the demand, we can reserve one if we email her within a 12 hour window. How you take this to mean she spent money to get products for me or us, I cannot fathom. There is not a single word of a single email you could point to that would indicate she thinks that - at least any sent to me, all of which I've posted, and those are the only ones to which I am privy and the only ones on which I am able to base any decision.

Legally you are entirely correct in everything you have just stated, however We were obviously taught differently where morality is concerned.

Cheap shots attacking my morality don't further your case: you had not, and still have not, given me the slightest reason to think I have done anything remotely wrong. There is no evidence to back up any of your assertions about commitments, risk for Doris, or anything else. The evidence in fact directly contradicts it.

I have already emailed her to apologize for my involvement in this matter and I know she stepped out of her normal guidelines of running this as a mini special interest group buy requiring you to commit to purchase prior to moving forward to product acquisition in an attempt to service your needs in this instance and I personally will be very surprised if you see her take that kind of professional risk to do that again. I just hope this has not placed her in any jeopardy.

She must have forgotten to send me the email mentioning any kind of commitment at any point. I must have forgotten to send her the email where I said I was committing to buy. All I remember saying is that I wanted a second flask, that many people wanted flasks, and that $70 was a price I'd pay for a flask. As I asked you yesterday: how long does your supposed commitment last? If she'd come back not in two weeks but two months, must I still have held off buying from other sources?

Are you seriously and honestly meaning that sending an email to a vendor saying "I want product X, will you try and stock it?" is morally a commitment to buy it if and when they stock it at some unspecified future date? And that not only is it a commitment, but it's a de facto commitment, without either side needing to specify that?

She hasn't asked for a commitment, she hasn't once mentioned a commitment, she hasn't implied a commitment existed, and on the basis of her emails to me she could not possibly have taken any kind of commitment as existing. In fact, quite the contrary: she's thanked me for my help and offered as reward the chance to reserve one of the first batch. Had this happened a week ago, I would gladly taken up that chance. As it is now, I have made other plans and I will wait. I have absolute confidence that it won't make the slightest difference to her, and have been given no reason at all to think otherwise - not from you, and least of all from her.

As for jeopardy! OMG. I honestly don't know what to say. I've tried hard to understand your point of view but it is incomprehensible. The words you use do not in any way describe the communication that has occurred between myself and Doris. They do not describe anything that is close to reasonable. Doris has ordered 10 flasks, and will sell 10 flasks - in fact she expects to sell them so quick she was only willing to reserve one for me if I emailed in a 12 hour window - that's me with such a strong commitment, you know? So important is it to her that I buy one that I could oversleep and not even get the chance to buy it. If that's really what you think 'commitment' means to Doris, then you're doing her a grave disservice.

I'm really fascinated to know what you think has happened here. Do you really think those flasks are going to go up and not sell?? What possible reason could you have to think that, given how quickly they sell everywhere else and how much unfulfilled demand remains concentrated in this thread?

As for her job being at risk, well! Sorry but that's beyond ludicrous - even if they didn't sell, it's ludicrous; doubly so given they so clearly will.

Lets just agree to disagree and call it a learning experience all the way around.

Whichever you prefer - I'm happy to continue discussing and equally happy to leave it as-is, your call.

 

[TheBloke]

Anyway. Got another reply from SXK, a much more concrete reply than the first non-committal one:

1. He has now discussed my email with "my boss and our engineer", and they have promised to investigate the low resistance problems
2. He also asked me to give his engineer more details on my findings on NP adjustments and Titanium.
   1. Part of my first email was telling them that they were badly under-selling NP: that "nickel purity" was the very least use of that feature, in fact very few people (outside of China) were ever likely to need it.
   2. I told them that its far more interesting use was for non-Ni200 wires, as a linear TCR adjustment scale.
   3. I never quite understood why they didn't already understand that - it's possible that an engineer made it that flexible because he knew it would be useful, but never sold the bosses on the benefits of selling it as that.
3. Anyway, the fact that they focused on Titanium suggest to me that they're seeing what Joyetech are doing with the EVIC, and they're belatedly realising Titanium is the New Big thing; and now perhaps the bosses have realised for the first time that they already have a mod that does that - so why don't they sell it as such!
   1. In particular they want to know how I calibrated the NP scale for Titanium and what Titanium wire I am using.
4. I couldn't get back to him during their working day today, HKT, but I hope to speak to him tomorrow - he's added me on Skype so we can discuss further.
5. The potential great news here is that I will be telling them in no uncertain terms that although NP has amazing potential, it is very much sullied at the moment by low resistance - they can't sell this as a general Beyond-Ni200 wire mod without fixing that (indeed even as a general TC mod it's not being as well received as it should/could be.)
   1. Therefore if I'm right and they are now thinking of Titanium and other wires, this will be a huge incentive for them to fix the low resistance once and for all.

Hopefully I'll know more by tomorrow, and I might see if I can reach him tonight on Skype / early am his time.

 

[Nibiru2012]

Well I see there's a lot of discussion about ALL the various clones, replicas, knock-offs, whatever of the Vapor Flask TC MOD.
I was involved in some of the earlier parts of this thread, but left since really none of it really applied to me anymore. Although I
do come back to view posts and see what's up.

Back in March I received the V3 version of the Kangxin clone. Copper-plated brass 510 connector and same for the battery caps.
One of the battery caps the plating is corroding and looks crummy, but then copper tarnishes; just a fact of that metal.
The "Fire" button is/was the smaller type, very thin (poor) chrome-plated which wore through within 4 weeks. Now the brass substrate shows through.
Eventually I may try to replace that button, not sure where to find one. I'm sure there's been a post here about it, if so then I'll have to look through 223 some odd pages of comments to find it. Oh well... c'est la vie!

Now the copper-plated brass 510 connector has almost gone kaput! I knew it would happen. My second MOD I ever owned the Innokin SVD had brass threading and it did exactly the same thing in about the same time frame. The following photo is from the website I bought the unit from back in early March of this year.
I doubt that they would do any warranty type of resolving this so I'm going to attempt to repair it in my spare time.

I have an iPV4 TC MOD on order from the 101 VAPE webstore, hopefully it will be here by Friday, Saturday at the latest.
The iPV4 has the exact same stainless steel 510 connector that is on my iPV SX Mini 30.
That connector is ROCK SOLID, excellent connection and no thread wear at all.

I believe that the Fat Daddy Vapes 510 connectors may work in the 15.5mm diameter.
I am unsure as to whether or not to get the V3 short 15.5 version since it's top cap height is only 2mm and then shim underneath to bring it flush or use the 15.5mm V4 version which has a 3.5mm top cap height.

I have used the V4 in a 22mm unit to do a custom made ohms checker but their springs seem a little weak to me, compared to the stout spring in the iPV models.

Trying to find a replacement button for the Fire button may be a little more difficult.

I'll bet dwcraig1 some good suggestions, he has always been very helpful for me personally in the past.

If anyone else has some helpful ideas or suggestions they will be appreciated.
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FYI
- I am putting together later this week a Li-Po CC (constant current) battery discharging unit.
It's designed to pull the 18650 battery down to the cutoff voltage of 2.5 volts. I have read this helps to sort of recondition the battery somewhat and that this is something that only needs to be done once in a great while, like every six months or so. Parts only cost $6.50 and I'm going to assemble first on what's called an MB-102 830 Breadboard to test it out and see how well it performs prior to soldering it on a perforated PCB board. It pulls 400mAh until it reaches a voltage of 2.50 VDC and the shuts off automatically. An LED indicator glows when it's working and then goes off when it's done.

 

[dwcraig1]

^^^^ I used a FDV v3 shorty with the washer. I put the 510 socket together with the washer and chucked it up in my electric drill and applied the spinning edge of the washer against a file and took it down to 18.5 mm OD (from 22 mm ). It is approx. 0.75 mm higher than the plate. I believe I put a 1/4 machine screw with nuts through it to put into the drill.
Buttons (for the fire switch) not likely. Switch yes. button no. Oh wait that switch is different than the other models.
Custom made ohms checker sounds interesting.

 

[akeilo]

Anyway. Got another reply from SXK, a much more concrete reply than the first non-committal one:

1. He has now discussed my email with "my boss and our engineer", and they have promised to investigate the low resistance problems
2. He also asked me to give his engineer more details on my findings on NP adjustments and Titanium.
   1. Part of my first email was telling them that they were badly under-selling NP: that "nickel purity" was the very least use of that feature, in fact very few people (outside of China) were ever likely to need it.
   2. I told them that its far more interesting use was for non-Ni200 wires, as a linear TCR adjustment scale.
   3. I never quite understood why they didn't already understand that - it's possible that an engineer made it that flexible because he knew it would be useful, but never sold the bosses on the benefits of selling it as that.
3. Anyway, the fact that they focused on Titanium suggest to me that they're seeing what Joyetech are doing with the EVIC, and they're belatedly realising Titanium is the New Big thing; and now perhaps the bosses have realised for the first time that they already have a mod that does that - so why don't they sell it as such!
   1. In particular they want to know how I calibrated the NP scale for Titanium and what Titanium wire I am using.
4. I couldn't get back to him during their working day today, HKT, but I hope to speak to him tomorrow - he's added me on Skype so we can discuss further.
5. The potential great news here is that I will be telling them in no uncertain terms that although NP has amazing potential, it is very much sullied at the moment by low resistance - they can't sell this as a general Beyond-Ni200 wire mod without fixing that (indeed even as a general TC mod it's not being as well received as it should/could be.)
   1. Therefore if I'm right and they are now thinking of Titanium and other wires, this will be a huge incentive for them to fix the low resistance once and for all.

Hopefully I'll know more by tomorrow, and I might see if I can reach him tonight on Skype / early am his time.

This is great news! With your findings and extensive feedback gathered from ecf, ft etc users, they better take it seriously and improve on the chip. Although I want one SXK Vflask, I am trying to resist the idea of getting one right away. Assuming their engineers fixed the ohm reading faults the update will likely come in a next batch and that would mean couple months, taking into account SXK indeed have issues with coming out with current batch.

But overall Im glad your findings would be listened by the right guys and it would benefit others in near future.

 

[tempest.nano]

I believe that the Fat Daddy Vapes 510 connectors may work in the 15.5mm diameter.
I am unsure as to whether or not to get the V3 short 15.5 version since it's top cap height is only 2mm and then shim underneath to bring it flush or use the 15.5mm V4 version which has a 3.5mm top cap height.

I believe that even the V3 short is still too long to fit well in the Kangxin flask. It will press down on the screw used as a positive battery contact (terrible design). This in turn pushes the battery down a couple of mm, which will prevent you from screwing the battery cap all the way in. This isn't fatal, but makes the flask a bit akward with only one of the two battery caps protruding. Using the FDV V3 with the 22mm washer on top of the top plate should give you just enough room to work though.

 

[dwcraig1]

I believe that even the V3 short is still too long to fit well in the Kangxin flask. It will press down on the screw used as a positive battery contact (terrible design). This in turn pushes the battery down a couple of mm, which will prevent you from screwing the battery cap all the way in. This isn't fatal, but makes the flask a bit akward with only one of the two battery caps protruding. Using the FDV V3 with the 22mm washer on top of the top plate should give you just enough room to work though.

Do you mean leaving it 22 mm and having it not in the recess, mounting it on top of the plate?
Gee, if only I could read, I got it.

 

[Nibiru2012]

I believe that even the V3 short is still too long to fit well in the Kangxin flask. It will press down on the screw used as a positive battery contact (terrible design). This in turn pushes the battery down a couple of mm, which will prevent you from screwing the battery cap all the way in. This isn't fatal, but makes the flask a bit akward with only one of the two battery caps protruding. Using the FDV V3 with the 22mm washer on top of the top plate should give you just enough room to work though.

Thanks for the suggestion! You know that type of configuration just might work. It would look pretty trick really!
The stainless 510 connector elevated above the top plate would not look bad at all.

 

[RainZG]

if anyone is interested I came across this today

Vapor Flask Mini 50W VW MOD Temperature Protection - $47.90

 

[Croak]

Do you mean leaving it 22 mm and having it not in the recess, mounting it on top of the plate?
Gee, if only I could read, I got it.

That clearance is the main reason I used a Varitube low profile 14mm 510 instead of a FDV. The Varitube is exactly the same length as the FDV V3 Shorty, but the plate is only 1mm thick instead of 2mm like the FDV.

So, you get an extra 1mm of inside clearance, IF you use a 1mm washer on the outside (the 510 mounting depression is roughly 2mm deep), and still get a (nearly) flush mounted 510. If you wanted to be even cleaner looking, get the 22mm Varitube low profile and grind it down with the @dwcraig1 drill-on-grinder method to ~18.5mm, so there would be no step gap, and still run a washer directly underneath it to get the extra clearance. You could go extra slick and get the 28mm Varitube, which has no airflow slots cut in it so it would look a lot more like the real VF 2.1, and grind it down the same way, though that's a lot of grinding.

 

[yo han]

I don't know these 510 connectors but I've just finished building a wired mod for use in my car and behind the computer and the 510 connector I've used has the spring loaded pin installed in such a way that you can unscrew it on the inside and lower it quite a bit should you want to. I've put a washer on it it so it's about 1.5mm deeper than it used to be. You can't see the modification on the outside at all.

 

[tempest.nano]

Thanks for the suggestion! You know that type of configuration just might work. It would look pretty trick really!
The stainless 510 connector elevated above the top plate would not look bad at all.

Nilly has made this sort of modification, and he posted it in my intro thread.

 

[Nibiru2012]

Nilly has made this sort of modification, and he posted it in my intro thread.

That's it! That's the ticket, just what I'm looking for and it does look trick sitting on top of the top plate like that!

Thank You tempest.nano!

BTW - just received a tracking notification of my iPV4 Black TC MOD shipping today from 101 Vape in California! Ordered it this morning a 2:10AM CDT during one of my insomniac sessions.

 

[funkyrudi]

Anyway. Got another reply from SXK, a much more concrete reply than the first non-committal one:

1. He has now discussed my email with "my boss and our engineer", and they have promised to investigate the low resistance problems
2. He also asked me to give his engineer more details on my findings on NP adjustments and Titanium.
   1. Part of my first email was telling them that they were badly under-selling NP: that "nickel purity" was the very least use of that feature, in fact very few people (outside of China) were ever likely to need it.
   2. I told them that its far more interesting use was for non-Ni200 wires, as a linear TCR adjustment scale.
   3. I never quite understood why they didn't already understand that - it's possible that an engineer made it that flexible because he knew it would be useful, but never sold the bosses on the benefits of selling it as that.
3. Anyway, the fact that they focused on Titanium suggest to me that they're seeing what Joyetech are doing with the EVIC, and they're belatedly realising Titanium is the New Big thing; and now perhaps the bosses have realised for the first time that they already have a mod that does that - so why don't they sell it as such!
   1. In particular they want to know how I calibrated the NP scale for Titanium and what Titanium wire I am using.
4. I couldn't get back to him during their working day today, HKT, but I hope to speak to him tomorrow - he's added me on Skype so we can discuss further.
5. The potential great news here is that I will be telling them in no uncertain terms that although NP has amazing potential, it is very much sullied at the moment by low resistance - they can't sell this as a general Beyond-Ni200 wire mod without fixing that (indeed even as a general TC mod it's not being as well received as it should/could be.)
   1. Therefore if I'm right and they are now thinking of Titanium and other wires, this will be a huge incentive for them to fix the low resistance once and for all.

Hopefully I'll know more by tomorrow, and I might see if I can reach him tonight on Skype / early am his time.

Unbelievable, they did sth that works, but they didn`t know what it can be used for. Tztztzz

If they ask you about possible improvements, you could tell them, that another parameter, static resistance offset, could be useful. Also a possibility to measure the static resistance ( by shorting an atomizer ) could be helpful. But I guess you`ll have to explain all that stuff and they don`t know what you are talking about.

 

[TheBloke]

Unbelievable, they did sth that works, but they didn`t know what it can be used for. Tztztzz

If they ask you about possible improvements, you could tell them, that another parameter, static resistance offset, could be useful. Also a possibility to measure the static resistance ( by shorting an atomizer ) could be helpful. But I guess you`ll have to explain all that stuff and they don`t know what you are talking about.

Yeah a resistance offset would be awesome! It would be great to adjust for SR without using NP settings, keeping NP at the nominal wire value (32, 35, 62) and adjusting via SR offsets. Much more logical, and doesn't need a calculator.

But you are right it is a long shot that they would understand this. I'll see how the conversation goes!

 

[funkyrudi]

Yeah a resistance offset would be awesome! It would be great to adjust for SR without using NP settings, keeping NP at the nominal wire value (32, 35, 62) and adjusting via SR offsets. Much more logical, and doesn't need a calculator.

But you are right it is a long shot that they would understand this. I'll see how the conversation goes!

Yepp. And for the SR value, it would be easy, if the display would show the resistance after the "atomizer short" message ( after the 0.04 Ohm issue has been fixed )
And for the future:
we need presets for each of our atties and all of them have to finish a shorting test, to measure the SR, which will be stored in the presets. The offset calculation could be done in the background and there would be no need for a SR offset parameter.

I´m sure, we will get sth like that, but I´m not sure whether we will be able to buy it in Europe

 

[druckle]

Yepp. And for the SR value, it would be easy, if the display would show the resistance after the "atomizer short" message ( after the 0.04 Ohm issue has been fixed )
And for the future:
we need presets for each of our atties and all of them have to finish a shorting test, to measure the SR, which will be stored in the presets. The offset calculation could be done in the background and there would be no need for a SR offset parameter.

I´m sure, we will get sth like that, but I´m not sure whether we will be able to buy it in Europe

You will get it in Europe...Dicodes will do it and all with one button!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

You will get it in Europe...Dicodes will do it and all with one button!

The next gen dicodes will do it with thought - no buttons in sight!
Rumour has it they will start development of the device just as soon as their R&D section have worked out how to convert Celsius to Fahrenheit...

 

[druckle]

The next gen dicodes will do it with thought - no buttons in sight!
Rumour has it they will start development of the device just as soon as their R&D section have worked out how to convert Celsius to Fahrenheit...

Yes Sir...just think menu page [HASHTAG]#142[/HASHTAG]....think click....think ah argh...thnk 0 ....think menu page uh ...hmmmm??