Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread

[TheBloke]

anyone else heard the rumor that weadai, or however you spell it... is going to update their flask to a spring loaded pin? I saw a review and, the reviewer said they told him that they where. I also read it somewhere

Not heard that rumour, but wouldn't surprise me at all. Kangxin are releasing their Mini VF 50W device which has sprung pin, so if they've cracked it there's every chance Waidea will (or have.)

And Waidea are riding high in the Maxi VF market, so would make sense for them to keep improving that model.

The big question is, will they also go 50W? I'm thinking yes.

 

[nelsonm64]

this is the review where he states they're going to update the 510.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtby7YMopI

 

[TheBloke]

this is the review where he states they're going to update the 510.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtby7YMopI

Oh, it's Les - yeah I watched that at the time, it was the video that first convinced me to get a VF of my own.

But that's the Kangxins he's got, not the Waidea. He got two different models of the Kangxin - the early one without the engraving on the bottom, and the later v3 that many people here have. But it's definitely still the Kangxin v3 not the Waidea, you can tell from the "---" on the ohms display rather than 0.00 that the Waidea uses (in any case he got them both from the same supplier, quite possibly KX themselves.) EDIT: That's wrong, he does have one Waidea, an earlier revision than we've been receiving which still had the --- (confirming what croak said re them both using the same chips)

And yes we just found out that Kangxin definitely do have the tech to do sprung 510, because they've just announced it in their new 50W Mini VF.

So what Les was told might have referred to that, or maybe they did originally plan a new VF with sprung pin but aren't going to do so now that they have the Mini and Waidea are ruling the VF clones, or quite possibly KX are indeed going to release their own v4 and try to beat Waidea again.

Could be any of those I reckon!

We don't have any news about Waidea's intentions, but yeah it's entirely possible they'll release a sprung pin version of the VF, and/or their own new TC mods, now we know that KX have cracked it. EDIT: Even though Les was talking about a Waidea when he mentioned the sprung pin, I still wouldn't take that as a source, see further post below.

 

[dwcraig1]

Oh, it's Les - yeah I watched that at the time, it was the video that first convinced me to get a VF of my own.

But that's the Kangxins he's got, not the Waidea. He got two different models of the Kangxin - the early one without the engraving on the bottom, and the later v3 that many people here have. But it's definitely still the Kangxin v3 not the Waidea, you can tell from the "---" on the ohms display rather than 0.00 that the Waidea uses (in any case he got them both from the same supplier, quite possibly KX themselves.)

And yes we just found out that Kangxin definitely do have the tech to do sprung 510, because they've just announced it in their new 50W Mini VF.

So what Les was told might have referred to that, or maybe they did originally plan a new VF with sprung pin but aren't going to do so now that they have the Mini and Waidea are ruling the VF clones, or quite possibly KX are indeed going to release their own v4 and try to beat Waidea again.

Could be any of those I reckon!

We don't have any news about Waidea's intentions, but yeah it's entirely possible they'll release a sprung pin version of the VF, and/or their own new TC mods, now we know that KX have cracked it.

I think you might want to watch the video again as he has only one Kangxin and an other. The "other" one has a hole above the charge port so it is not a Kangxin.
Take a look.

 

[TheBloke]

I think you might want to watch the video again as he has only one Kangxin and an other. The "other" one has a hole above the charge port so it is not a Kangxin.
Take a look.

Oh yes, sorry, you're right.

But that one is also definitely the one that says --- on the display instead of 0.00.

OK so I suppose this must be an earlier version of the Waidea, and what croak said is right - they're using the same chips, different batches getting different batches of chips, and so there was a point where the Waidea also showed --- instead of 0.00.

I still wouldn't take his statement about the sprung pin as any authority, though - his supplier sent him a KX and a Waidea as if they were two models of the same device (well I suppose in a way they are, at the chip level, but quite different manufacturers!) and when he asked about the pin he was told "it's been addressed." That could really mean anything, including nothing.

I mean I do think Waidea probably will bring out a sprung pin device - just I wouldn't take Les as a source for that information

 

[dwcraig1]

^^^^For one thing that video is a bit dated and they are pumping them out as fast as they can. I see no changes being made till demands slows down.

The idea that they may be using the same chip is kind of scary.

 

[lenon]

Oh yes, sorry, you're right.

But that one is also definitely the one that says --- on the display instead of 0.00.

OK so I suppose this must be an earlier version of the Waidea, and what croak said is right - they're using the same chips, different batches getting different batches of chips, and so there was a point where the Waidea also showed --- instead of 0.00.

I still wouldn't take his statement about the sprung pin as any authority, though - his supplier sent him a KX and a Waidea as if they were two models of the same device (well I suppose in a way they are, at the chip level, but quite different manufacturers!) and when he asked about the pin he was told "it's been addressed." That could really mean anything, including nothing.

I mean I do think Waidea probably will bring out a sprung pin device - just I wouldn't take Les as a source for that information

Yes, I replied to Croak several pages back that my Waidea shows --- with no atty attached, as opposed to 0.00.

 

[Kaana]

You can switch the LED on and off and into a very usefull strobe mode LOL. First I didn`t like the LED, but I think it can be useful - work on your atty f.e.. I hope it will get a lens or sth to seal the hole - don`t want to flood the board.

Doris is everywhere, now she is on YT




Edit: FC has the big Flask in the promotion for 59$

an adjustable third arm led help would be wonderful when dripping in the dark

 

[TheBloke]

The idea that they may be using the same chip is kind of scary.

Yeah. Croak was convinced of it; I wasn't until just now, not least because TPat was specifically told by Summer that they were using their own:

So it appears that Summer did indeed tell the truth when he told me they developed their own chip from scratch because the KX-40Ds would have been too expensive to include (since they used patented Evolv Technology).

So seems like actually he wasn't

On top of that I had thought there were other signs of differences, but they now all seem to be down to the fact that many batches, of both KX and Waidea, are different from their predecessors. Like lenon's Waidea is slightly different to mine and croak's; Les on that video has one different again. Etc.

So yeah, seems there's one supplier for them all. But is that Kangxin, or yet a third company?

Edit:

Yes, I replied to Croak several pages back that my Waidea shows --- with no atty attached, as opposed to 0.00.

Ah ha, I missed that. So I guess yours is the same as Les showed in the video, and Croak, Willie and I have one at least one batch/revision later on.

Maybe the next batch will just suddenly introduce sprung pin! It's already in all the Alibaba wholesale adverts, after all

 

[Tpat591]

I think you might want to watch the video again as he has only one Kangxin and an other. The "other" one has a hole above the charge port so it is not a Kangxin.
Take a look.

Les had the Waidea & Kangxin in that Video.

Nicole later asked Waidea, in the person of Summers Boss who was in charge of the development of the flask, in preparation for her review about the center pin. His reply was that they had tried a floating pin during the development of the flask and were not happy with the results so they elected to go with the fixed center pin for reliability of the temperature control function.

I trust Nicole's word here a hell of a lot more than I would trust Les's word in that video. Her review was produced considerably later than Les's video and much more thorough.. Les didn't even know the manufacturers name & he was given them to review/give away by a local vape source. It is tough to imagine that his word that the manufacturer will be upgrading the pin on his recommendation is correct when he didn't even know who that manufacturer was.

Waidea may eventually bow to pressure from the marketplace to switch to a floating pin, Who knows? - But if they do, I would like to see them do it where they supply both a fixed and floating pin allowing the user to install the option that works best for them.

 

[Tpat591]

I believe the chips in Kangxin and Waidea are sourced from the same manufacturer even though Waidea maintains that they developed theirs on their own but that source customizes easily changeable parameters in the firmware based on order requirements provided by Kangxin or Waidea so they can each appear to have unique features or characteristics.

Until someone opens them both up and compares the boards themselves side by side we won't know for sure & I don't believe that will happen soon.

 

[KenD]

Yeah, I got my vf! Focalecig sent me a waidea instead of a kangxin, but I'm totally fine with this. Tried out my trident in single coil (.12, 28 ga, wound on 3m machine screw), Russian 91% ( .12, 28 ga, wound on 3m machine screw), and dual coils in my Fogger v5 ( .14, 30ga, wound on 3m machine screw). Works great, even the dual coils in the Fogger strangely enough - knock on wood)! Only thing that annoys me is that the vf throws up the "temperature protection" warning very often (have it set at 40w). I'd like to see exactly what wattages my aggies and builds can handle.

 

[Nibiru2012]

Only thing that annoys me is that the vf throws up the "temperature protection" warning very often (have it set at 40w). I'd like to see exactly what wattages my aggies and builds can handle.

That's why I like the Kangxin chipset instead as it continuously shows the wattage changing during the vape process.
Apparently the "build quality" is not what the Waidea is... C'est la vie!

No more Vapor Flasks for me though, I'm am going to wait till next month and order the Pioneer4You iPV4 MOD.
The build quality on their previous units is top-notch and I'm sure this one will be of the same caliber. Plus they'll have
their standard five memory preset settings too.

The price is not that much more for a genuine product versus a replica; roughly $8 to $30 more depending on where one
buys the MOD at.

 

[Croak]

Except, you know, some Waidea units do show the wattage constantly, such as mine.

And Ken, lower your wattage, that should help. Most standard 0.1-0.2 ohm builds in the 400-500f range really only need about 20-25w depending on airflow, and that's just during the first part of the draw. After that, they tend to settle down below 20w to maintain your selected temp.

You're asking for double the power it needs, so you get the temp protect message a lot more often (you shouldn't see it at all if you're tuned properly) because it's seeing this huge delta between what you asked for and what it can give you. It flashes that message as a gentle reminder/nag that it's having to cut power by a great deal.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

So are there two different chips around? Hard to think Waidea modifies some and not others...

 

[WeirdWillie]

Hopefully I'll get a chance this weekend to disassemble
and photograph both the Kangxin and Waidea to compare both chips along with comparing them to the authentic.

One thing I can tell you for sure, if you are hitting TP prematurely you have connection issues (coil, atty, 510, mod build)
regardless if it is authentic or clone.

 

[KenD]

Except, you know, some Waidea units do show the wattage constantly, such as mine.

And Ken, lower your wattage, that should help. Most standard 0.1-0.2 ohm builds in the 400-500f range really only need about 20-25w depending on airflow, and that's just during the first part of the draw. After that, they tend to settle down below 20w to maintain your selected temp.

You're asking for double the power it needs, so you get the temp protect message a lot more often (you shouldn't see it at all if you're tuned properly) because it's seeing this huge delta between what you asked for and what it can give you. It flashes that message as a gentle reminder/nag that it's having to cut power by a great deal.

My trident holds pretty well at 40w, as did the Fogger with dual coils.

 

[TheBloke]

So are there two different chips around? Hard to think Waidea modifies some and not others...

Probably more than two - but revisions, not chips. See my discussions with dwcraig and TPat from last night / early hours this morning

Basically we now think that there's always been just one chip, used by Kangxin, Waidea, and also Heatvape for their Intruder.

Each new batch of mods has slight differences to the previous batch, but those same differences are being seen across brand.

So for example an earlier revision showed "---" for the resistance with no atty, the later ones show 0.00. All the Kangxin VFs (that I've seen anyway) show ---, and the earlier Waideas do (e.g. the one in Les' Youtube video) but the newer ones show 0.00. And I think there was some other difference as well, I forget.

A further example: the latest Kangxin we've discussed, the 50W KX-50D, clearly shows 0.00 in the photos, the first Kangxin we've seen with that, and also the first Kangxin released since the newest Waideas have been out. aqua v2

What they all share in common is rotating from 40w - 1W - 40W, and how when you hold down both buttons in locked mode, it usually decrements the temp (it carries on reading the two buttons pressed and translates that into a down command - which the genuine does not.)

At first many of us still thought there were two lines of chips, which is what Waidea themselves claimed, but now - as Croak has said all along! - it really seems that it must be a single line of chips, with each new batch of whatever device getting the latest revision and thus slight changes/enhancements.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Hi Bloke,

my Kangxin shows live wattage and temp...!

 

[TheBloke]

Hi Bloke,

my Kangxin shows live wattage and temp...!

Ah sorry, did I get that the wrong way around? The Kangxin has always shown it, but the early Waideas did not?

Or maybe that's not a difference at all - I thought Niru was saying that some models aren't showing live wattage (which would suck majorly actually), but maybe that's not right.

I'll edit that out as a difference, thanks