Vapor intensity

[vapdivrr]

I went from cig-alikes to cart/ dripping attys to gennys to rta's and for the most part am a mtl guy. I vape 18 to 24mg nic in the 1 ohm range and my average wattage is 23 watts. Besides the old style dripping attys like the 357, I was never into drippers until recently when I got into the whole squonking thing. I had a reo a few years back, but didnt really get into it because I started liking the whole regulated dna thing. Anyways bought a hi end squonker a few months back and really liked it except for the rda part. In the couple months I just couldn't find an rda that gave me the throat hit intensity I was getting from my hi end rta's that I regularly vape, like the km3, gem, erlkonigin, etc. I tried about 8 different rda's ranging from 14mm to 22mm. I also tried bottom , side, and top air attys and although the flavor, heat, and vapor production was good, there was something lacking in the intensity. It's hard to explain exactly what I felt it was lacking, but what I do know is that when I take a few vapes from one of my rtas, I'm good for a while, but with the rda, I just didn't feel as satisfied and would have to vape more. The weird thing is most who vape rda's , have to reduce their nic levels because they say it's too much TH, where as with me, I felt the opposite. Maybe it's because I was doing mtl on the drippers , while most do lung inhales, but these rda's I was trying had tight ish type draws that compared to my rtas. So I was thinking, maybe it has something to do with the long thin chimney tube on my rtas? All drippers go right from coil to drip tip, where ad the rta's I vape, the vapor travels a further way and then gets reduced up a thin chimney tube before the drip tip. I don't know, it would seem that a less path for the vapor, the more intense it would be? Just curious if any have had the same experience? I finally gave up on the squonking thing and just figured rda's are not for me. For me, I get a more intense, better TH from an rta then a dripper , which seems opposite to all I read and hear.

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[ScandaLeX]

Vaping using a RDA or RTA is not absolute. There are variables which will makes both methods (IMO) inconsistent & it doesn't much matter, again (IMO) whether it's a low-end or high-end atty. The mod itself has a part to play in this as well.
I prefer a tank over a RDA any day.

 

[daviedog]

Cool post, RTAs have pressure differentials or the juice would leak out the air holes.( I've been there too.)RDAs don't. Does this make for a superior vape? I have no idea.
In my case, it's the novelty effect.
New RTA or Dripper, just spent 50 bucks, of course it's better..

 

[vapdivrr]

Vaping using a RDA or RTA is not absolute. There are variables which will makes both methods (IMO) inconsistent & it doesn't much matter, again (IMO) whether it's a low-end or high-end atty. The mod itself has a part to play in this as well.
I prefer a tank over a RDA any day.

Yes, I'm sure what ever they were, hi end or not, , the results would of been the same. Probably more of a subjective or mental thing, then a set up variable between the two .

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[ScandaLeX]

Cool post, RTAs have pressure differentials or the juice would leak out the air holes.( I've been there too.)RDAs don't. Does this make for a superior vape? I have no idea.
In my case, it's the novelty effect.
New RTA or Dripper, just spent 50 bucks, of course it's better..

Ahhhhh that's the justify purchase vape!

 

[daviedog]

Ahhhhh that's the justify purchase vape!

Ahh, we've never met. But you know me well..

 

[vapdivrr]

Cool post, RTAs have pressure differentials or the juice would leak out the air holes.( I've been there too.)RDAs don't. Does this make for a superior vape? I have no idea.
In my case, it's the novelty effect.
New RTA or Dripper, just spent 50 bucks, of course it's better..

I thought of that. I don't know if it's superior or not, it's just something I can definitely feel. It may just be me but in terms of it possibly being a design thing, one thing I was thinking is the chimney lenght having a big affect. So I guess what I was looking for is, has anyone noticed differences in maybe just rta's in general, where one has a very long thin chimney like some do, compared to ones that have a very short wider chimney? All mine are of the longer thinner variety, but some like the pico, have almost no lenght to it at all. So maybe if some have noticed a difference in those, then maybe a tank with no chimney at all could and it's just something that I can really differentiate.

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[daviedog]

In 6 years of vaping,,only the last 3 that i knew what i was doing,, I've grown to like short profile RDA & RTAs. Better flavor.
Looking at my Aromamizer v1 4ml, basically short stubby chimney.
Tastes good too..

 

[Bunnykiller]

Ive used RTAs, RDAs, and Gennies.... depends on the RTAs as for what you are looking for... a Rose or Kayfun isnt going to offer volume clouds but intense flavor. A TFV4 is capable of producing massive clouds with enuf wattage... a gennie is kinda inbetween a dripper and a tank... it offers dripper wetness without the need to drip...and it doesnt have that pressure differential a RTA has to deal with.
depending on my mood, its either an RSST dual coil or the TFV4 tri coil... and when Im flavor chasing, its the Rose or AquaV2.

 

[satchvai]

I like the Merlin RTA for a punchy hit.

 

[BreSha6869]

I have about a dozen RDAs and I'm not a huge fan. I much prefer RTAs like Crown and Subtank Minis. I don't find I lose a lot of flavour and they are less of a PITA.

I use drippers from time to time at home only, but I guess they just aren't my thing...,,

 

[IMFire3605]

I thought of that. I don't know if it's superior or not, it's just something I can definitely feel. It may just be me but in terms of it possibly being a design thing, one thing I was thinking is the chimney lenght having a big affect. So I guess what I was looking for is, has anyone noticed differences in maybe just rta's in general, where one has a very long thin chimney like some do, compared to ones that have a very short wider chimney? All mine are of the longer thinner variety, but some like the pico, have almost no lenght to it at all. So maybe if some have noticed a difference in those, then maybe a tank with no chimney at all could and it's just something that I can really differentiate.

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In a sense there is a relation to chimneys causing more intense sensations (flavor on up to throat hit). I have several Kayfun class RTAs, from KFL+ Clones to KF V5 and Russian Authentics. Couple of my KFL+, one clone and one authentic, there are times even at 8 to 10 watts those two have a harder throat hit and more flavor than one of my Russian 91%s, KF V4s or my KF V5 even at the same watts and resistance, even on the same mods etc. Could be a mixture of air inlet and the reducing effect of the chimney and drip tips on those two tanks. Difference between an RTA and Dripper, yes if you are looking for a throat hit a dripper most times will have less due to 1) lower nic level and 2) amount of airflow. When I was on 18mg in my RTAs I was using a 6 or a 9mg nic being I was almost 2x to 3x hotter in my RTAs, if you are using a 6mg in your dripper try using a 9mg if you are still at 18mg in your RTAs, as I found with drippers I'll generally take less hits than my RTAs due to nic level, if it was taking me 6 hits on an RTA to get my needed nic balance again, on my RDAs I was taking only 2 or 3, so sounding like you are a little to low on your nic with yours RDAs. This isn't a bad thing, if you enjoy your flavor from an RDA and just want to couch potatoe watching tv and continuing to vape on your RDA the whole time, lower nic and more vaping is not that bad really, don't want to over nic in this instance, but if you are needing the nic after a few hours no vaping and need to rebalance your nic levels say at work in a limited amount of time during a break, then a higher nic level dripping juice would be suitable. Relaxing and chain vaping at home, lower nic like a 3 or 6 would be ideal, at work for a quick break then a 6 to a 9 would suit your needs.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

I think it really depends on how they are coiled and wicked, much more so than the chimney length or any other factors. By intense vapor I assume you are referring to the vapor thickness and cloud size. I think the RDA's and RDTA's have more options available for their setup and therefore on average a better chance at achieving those intense clouds. I suspect something like 90% or more of the "intensity" factor happens between the juice, the metal heating it, and the air flow over it. Everything else plays a much smaller roll. Don't give up on your RDA, if there is one thing I've found is that experimentation can lead to some surprisingly good results with any atty.

 

[sparkky1]

I went from cig-alikes to cart/ dripping attys to gennys to rta's and for the most part am a mtl guy. I vape 18 to 24mg nic in the 1 ohm range and my average wattage is 23 watts. Besides the old style dripping attys like the 357, I was never into drippers until recently when I got into the whole squonking thing. I had a reo a few years back, but didnt really get into it because I started liking the whole regulated dna thing. Anyways bought a hi end squonker a few months back and really liked it except for the rda part. In the couple months I just couldn't find an rda that gave me the throat hit intensity I was getting from my hi end rta's that I regularly vape, like the km3, gem, erlkonigin, etc. I tried about 8 different rda's ranging from 14mm to 22mm. I also tried bottom , side, and top air attys and although the flavor, heat, and vapor production was good, there was something lacking in the intensity. It's hard to explain exactly what I felt it was lacking, but what I do know is that when I take a few vapes from one of my rtas, I'm good for a while, but with the rda, I just didn't feel as satisfied and would have to vape more. The weird thing is most who vape rda's , have to reduce their nic levels because they say it's too much TH, where as with me, I felt the opposite. Maybe it's because I was doing mtl on the drippers , while most do lung inhales, but these rda's I was trying had tight ish type draws that compared to my rtas. So I was thinking, maybe it has something to do with the long thin chimney tube on my rtas? All drippers go right from coil to drip tip, where ad the rta's I vape, the vapor travels a further way and then gets reduced up a thin chimney tube before the drip tip. I don't know, it would seem that a less path for the vapor, the more intense it would be? Just curious if any have had the same experience? I finally gave up on the squonking thing and just figured rda's are not for me. For me, I get a more intense, better TH from an rta then a dripper , which seems opposite to all I read and hear.

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I'm going to have to assume you build your own coils, have you experimented with different metal types as well as inner diameter size in the wraps, have you tried lower ohm dual coil builds and raising the wattage ? not saying that's what you need but if you haven't tried, you will never truly know, not all devices will perform great @ 23 watts with a 1 ohm coil ............

 

[vapdivrr]

I'm going to have to assume you build your own coils, have you experimented with different metal types as well as inner diameter size in the wraps, have you tried lower ohm dual coil builds and raising the wattage ? not saying that's what you need but if you haven't tried, you will never truly know, not all devices will perform great @ 23 watts with a 1 ohm coil ............

Yes definitely do my own coils and everything was equal. What I always had in my rta, did exactly the same when doing the squonking rda. Same juice (24mg) same resistance and same wattages. I even purchased bf squonking rda's with similiar airflow to my rtas. All things were equal and just couldn't get the TH intensity. Yes the dripper vape was warm, but TH was kind of washed out.

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[vapdivrr]

In a sense there is a relation to chimneys causing more intense sensations (flavor on up to throat hit). I have several Kayfun class RTAs, from KFL+ Clones to KF V5 and Russian Authentics. Couple of my KFL+, one clone and one authentic, there are times even at 8 to 10 watts those two have a harder throat hit and more flavor than one of my Russian 91%s, KF V4s or my KF V5 even at the same watts and resistance, even on the same mods etc. Could be a mixture of air inlet and the reducing effect of the chimney and drip tips on those two tanks. Difference between an RTA and Dripper, yes if you are looking for a throat hit a dripper most times will have less due to 1) lower nic level and 2) amount of airflow. When I was on 18mg in my RTAs I was using a 6 or a 9mg nic being I was almost 2x to 3x hotter in my RTAs, if you are using a 6mg in your dripper try using a 9mg if you are still at 18mg in your RTAs, as I found with drippers I'll generally take less hits than my RTAs due to nic level, if it was taking me 6 hits on an RTA to get my needed nic balance again, on my RDAs I was taking only 2 or 3, so sounding like you are a little to low on your nic with yours RDAs. This isn't a bad thing, if you enjoy your flavor from an RDA and just want to couch potatoe watching tv and continuing to vape on your RDA the whole time, lower nic and more vaping is not that bad really, don't want to over nic in this instance, but if you are needing the nic after a few hours no vaping and need to rebalance your nic levels say at work in a limited amount of time during a break, then a higher nic level dripping juice would be suitable. Relaxing and chain vaping at home, lower nic like a 3 or 6 would be ideal, at work for a quick break then a 6 to a 9 would suit your needs.

I built the rda exactly like my normal rta set ups. Even the drippers I bought had similiar airflow to my rtas. The same juice I use in my rtas, 40/60 pg, vg @24mg nic , I used in the bf drippers. Same single coil, at same resistance and both mtl. What I guess I mean by intensity, is the crispness of TH. Yes the squonking atty was warm and hot , but it didn't thump like the rta and seemed kind of washed out in a way. Believe me I messed around for months tweaking coils by raising, lowering, moving inwards and outwards. I can definitely say that it was an equal comparison between the two. I just couldn't believe the difference could be enough for me n to not enjoy the vape on the rda, but it was....

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[vapdivrr]

I think it really depends on how they are coiled and wicked, much more so than the chimney length or any other factors. By intense vapor I assume you are referring to the vapor thickness and cloud size. I think the RDA's and RDTA's have more options available for their setup and therefore on average a better chance at achieving those intense clouds. I suspect something like 90% or more of the "intensity" factor happens between the juice, the metal heating it, and the air flow over it. Everything else plays a much smaller roll. Don't give up on your RDA, if there is one thing I've found is that experimentation can lead to some surprisingly good results with any atty.

Maybe I worded wrong, not thickness of vapor but intensity of TH. I definitely got a warm to hit vape from the rda, but not an intense TH. As for coiling and wicking, all I can say is I spent months trying every possible configuration of the coil and wick and know for sure it was the same coil and wicking I use in my rtas. It was a 1 to 1 comparison from juice, nic, coil , wicking, resistance, wattage and airflow. So if it wasn't those, that's why I believe it's just the difference of the tank, and as I look at the differences between those rta and rdas, the biggest difference I see is the chimney, one has it , the other does not. I think I'm just too set on a specific type of TH and can vape something that's sways from that.

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[vapdivrr]

In a sense there is a relation to chimneys causing more intense sensations (flavor on up to throat hit). I have several Kayfun class RTAs, from KFL+ Clones to KF V5 and Russian Authentics. Couple of my KFL+, one clone and one authentic, there are times even at 8 to 10 watts those two have a harder throat hit and more flavor than one of my Russian 91%s, KF V4s or my KF V5 even at the same watts and resistance, even on the same mods etc. Could be a mixture of air inlet and the reducing effect of the chimney and drip tips on those two tanks. Difference between an RTA and Dripper, yes if you are looking for a throat hit a dripper most times will have less due to 1) lower nic level and 2) amount of airflow. When I was on 18mg in my RTAs I was using a 6 or a 9mg nic being I was almost 2x to 3x hotter in my RTAs, if you are using a 6mg in your dripper try using a 9mg if you are still at 18mg in your RTAs, as I found with drippers I'll generally take less hits than my RTAs due to nic level, if it was taking me 6 hits on an RTA to get my needed nic balance again, on my RDAs I was taking only 2 or 3, so sounding like you are a little to low on your nic with yours RDAs. This isn't a bad thing, if you enjoy your flavor from an RDA and just want to couch potatoe watching tv and continuing to vape on your RDA the whole time, lower nic and more vaping is not that bad really, don't want to over nic in this instance, but if you are needing the nic after a few hours no vaping and need to rebalance your nic levels say at work in a limited amount of time during a break, then a higher nic level dripping juice would be suitable. Relaxing and chain vaping at home, lower nic like a 3 or 6 would be ideal, at work for a quick break then a 6 to a 9 would suit your needs.

I agree on the kayfuns and like you said, even on low wattages it definitely delivers. I just think a dripper, even with the same airflow, could produce that

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[GeorgeS]

Interesting.

I've heard of theories that the size of the air feed compared to the chamber and chimney size that makes the outstanding MTL tanks work as well as they do.

Some speculate on the air speed and where the air is restricted makes a difference.

Whatever the real story is, there are plenty of tanks that the AFC can be shut down to provide a KF or Nautilus "draw" but can't measure up to ether when it comes to the vape they produce.

Nifty puzzle.

 

[sofarsogood]

I get the best flavor, vapor quality and throat hit from a fresh wick and very clean coil. I rewick and gently dry burn about twice a week and build a new coil every few weeks or a month. I do all that in an SV rda clone which seems to be so good at flavor I use hardly any flavoring at all, like 1.5%.