Vermillion River Key Lime, Vanilla, Kentucky Blend, etc...

[Newbz]

You can find these flavors at Vermillion River @ Welcome to Vermillion River Premium E-Juice


I’d like to open this review by saying my purchasing experience with this vendor was top notch. Seriously, these guys have their crap together when it comes to fast service, great looking product, and ease of website use. I am also giving Vermillion River a huge thumbs up for providing sample sizes in 0 mg nicotine. What a nice change of pace from every other vendor.
Really, I just can’t say how pleased I was with the transaction, the packaging, and the overall process of doing business with this vendor. Glass dropper bottles for samples? Get outta here! Very cool.




Having said all of that, the actual vaping of Vermillion River is like buying a ticket to a movie you’ve already seen, except they changed the name of the movie so you’d go see it again. I have tasted all of these flavors before. Except for the Key Lime, there is nothing new to see here, IMO.







A member here at ECF astutely pointed out to me, there are only so many flavoring vendors out there, and so as e-liquid businesses pop up, there is bound to be flavor overlap from e-liquid company to company if they share vendors.





Well, let’s get at it, shall we? All flavors vaped on a stock Riva510 from www.liberty-flights.com
I did not see on their website what their mixes are, but they seem to be in the 80/20 neighborhood. (Someone feel free to correct me, there.)





Key Lime 0 mg/ml
The brightest flavor of the bunch. Flavor is spot on for key lime. It has a sharp citrus flavor with a nice limey sweetness as a finisher. I don’t talk about throat hit much because it simply isn’t important to me. However, even at 0mg of nicotine, this liquid caught my attention and made me cough. If you like sweet lime and you crave throat hit, this is a winner for you. For me? Turns out I prefer to eat limes over vaping them.


Purchase again? No.





French Vanilla 0mg/ml
The nose of this e-liquid is vanilla and saccharine like. Uh oh. Even the slightest taste of artificial sweetener is enough to turn me off to a flavor. The second I take a drag, I know I’ve had this flavor before. Not a similar flavor, but this exact chemically sweet concoction. Vermillion’s French Vanilla is a dead ringer for Vaperite after it has steeped. I’m not sure if it’s the vanilla flavoring itself that is the same, or the sweetner, but there is little doubt to my tongue that this is the same. (As a side note, I like Vaperite prior to the 2 week steeping mark, after that, it’s sickly sweet.) The French Vanilla has a funky chemical after taste. I don’t know ingredient it is that I taste, but it’s not for me.




Purchase again? No.





Kentucky Vanilla Bean 0mg/ ml
The same as the vanilla above with the addition of mystery nut artificially sweet ‘tobacco’. Reminds me of Dekang 555 with an extra shot of sweetener. Not for me.




Purchase again? No.




Kentucky Cherrywood 0 mg/ml
The nose of the e-liquid is outstanding. I was seriously excited to taste what smelled to be a fantastic cherry and premium tobacco mix. Sadly, the mystery nut and artificially sweet flavor really tanked the flavor for me. Another strike against this flavor was an apparent lack of vapor. When one is vaping 0 mg nicotine, performance becomes pretty important and vapor is part of that equation. This blend was below average compared to the other Vermillion liquids. The cherry was great and reminded me of maraschinos, absolutely no cough drop flavor here, but the ‘tobacco’ base didn’t do it for me.






Purchase again? No.





Kentucky Applewood 0mg/ml
That darn mystery nut saccharine base shows itself again, this time blended with an apple jolly rancher. The apple part tastes exactly like Vaperite’s apple flavoring. Vapor production was fine. I really wanted to like this one, but when it’s so nutty sweet it makes my jaw hurt, it’s going to be a no go.





Purchase again? No.





Kentucky Maplewood 0mg/ml
Perhaps the best maple flavor on inhale that I’ve ever had. Seriously, it’s rich and genuine maple goodness. If you’re a maple fan and you’re not put off by nutty ‘tobacco’ bases, this one is for you. Unfortunately, the base ruins this one for me on the exhale. It’s all fake nuts and sweetener. I wish I could just purchase the maple flavor by itself. I could see the maple part of this flavor being an all day vape for me. Vermillion doesn’t sell it that way, unfortunately.




Purchase again? No.





Kentucky Premium Blend 0mg/ml
By this point, I think you have a pretty good idea of how I feel about this ‘tobacco’. I’ve never been able to groove on the nutty sweet tobacco flavors. My cigarettes (even when I purchased novelty flavored brands) were never nutty or filled with nutra sweet like flavor. My brain does not process this flavor as tobacco, no matter who the vendor is.




Purchase again? No.






This review may seem overwhelmingly negative. It’s not. Again, Vermillion River was a breeze to deal with, and they have some of the best looking product out there. It felt premium. You can tell they take pride in their product. It’s just that their flavors are not for me. If you like some of the other vendors I referenced above, you may want to give these guys a shot.

 

[MaxUT]

You don't like much of anything, do you?

From reading your blog, I see that you don't like:

BWB Casablanca - "A real disappointment."
BWB 555 - "An overly sweet mystery nut chemical flavored mess"
BWB Applewood Tobacco - "Tastes like a granny smith apple, artificial flavorings, and stale tea."
BWB Cherry Tobacco - "Cough syrup."
BWB Dulce de Leche - "An artificial sweetener overload with a side of burnt milk."
BWB eJoker's Blend - "...saccharine like sweetness with a stale bitter tea aftertaste."
BWB Malty Toffee - "This is unvapable to me."
BWB RY4 - "Tastes like stale sweet tea."

Vaperite Organic Tobacco - "Tastes like stale tea."
Vaperite VR4 - "Tastes like stale sweet tea."
Vaperite Honey Horn Tobacco - "Do you like vaping PineSol? Then this is for you."

 

[Newbz]

You don't like much of anything, do you?

Yeah, and I assure you, it's a real drag. It's costly in terms of product purchased that I can not use and in time spent searching for product I can.

So why bother to review at all?

Because I know for a fact there are others out there who share my same flavor profile. BWB's Malty became an all day vape because of the recommendation of one such person. So did Ecopure. So did Want2Vape tobaccos. There are a few other flavors as well.

It is my hope that reviews will generate commentary and suggestions from folks who have had the same flavor experiences as me and thus be able to share what flavors do work for tastebuds that taste artificial sweeteners so prominently. As I said in this review, I wished I did like VR's stuff because service was top notch. But my tastebuds won't play ball with the ingredients they use. It's no more or less complicated than that. I also can't use diet sodas or foods with certain sweetners, certain types of gums, breads, dressings, and candies. That's also a drag, but there it is.

If I can help some one by sharing my experience (and I know from PM's that I have) then perhaps I can pay back just a little bit to the ECF community for the help I have received here. It's frustrating as crap to know every time I drop $30, $50, or whatever amount of money with a vendor that they are probably going to use whatever that ingredient is that comes across to me as artificial chemically sweet.

Since recipes are trade secrets, the only way I can know what's usable to me and what's not is to actually buy the stuff. Some community members don't have the money to squander on product they can't use. So I do reviews. I share my experience. I encourage in my blog and in my threads for others to likewise share their experiences. This helps to build a resource of flavor profiles so that a person can know if 'User X likes Flavor B, I probably will too'. User Lasttango talks about this very principle. If so and so likes a certain flavor, it's very likely he will too. What a fantastic resource for him and for the users who can buy with confidence based on his flavor profile recommendations!

Anyway, hope that makes sense, and thanks for reading.

 

[billherbst]

Anyway, hope that makes sense, and thanks for reading.

Newbz,

Yes, it makes sense.

In the realm of juices, the typical "chemist's lab flavorings" still hold sway, but the movement toward flavors with more natural sources is accelerating.

I strongly recommend that you check out Prime Vaping. PV has the "cleanest" tasting juices (in both tobacco and non-tobacco flavors) that I've vaped so far over nine months. No chemical or synthetic taste, no perfume, and no "signature" overtones, unlike many of the high-end vendors, some of which you mentioned. Their "Natural Tobacco" is a sterling example, and their "Strawberry" and "Strawberry Cheesecake" are to die for, in my opinion.

Just a head's up on your quest for vaping happiness.

 

[Joe_Atlanta]

I appreciate that we all have different tastes and we can only hope to find folks whose tastes run in a similar direction. While I don't like artificial tasting sweetness, my take on some of your reviewed juices couldn't be more different. Then I realized you were using a stock 3.2 volt set up and I do most of my vaping with a 5v pass through.

Since juices can taste very different at different voltages, why not get a good variable volt set up that will let you find the "sweet spot" on the juices you are trying?

 

[Joe_Atlanta]

sorry, double post, please delete

 

[Newbz]

I appreciate that we all have different tastes and we can only hope to find folks whose tastes run in a similar direction. While I don't like artificial tasting sweetness, my take on some of your reviewed juices couldn't be more different. Then I realized you were using a stock 3.2 volt set up and I do most of my vaping with a 5v pass through.

Sadly, higher voltages just cause the particular artificial sweetener that seems to be in most e-liquids to become stronger and more potent.

I don't know what the flavor is that I object to, although I know what it's not. Ethyl Maltol is the primary sweetener in ECOpure and Malty, both of which I enjoy. To me, that sweetener has an almost fruit like flavor, it is pleasant, and does not strike me as chemical like.

Perhaps the sweetener that ruins a flavor for me is sucralose, stevia, or some other chemical concoction. Whatever it is, vendors aren't sharing their formulas. To me it tastes like drinking nutra sweet or saccharine or some other false chemical sweet straight up at the highest concentration. Higher voltages only highlight whatever the flavor is. Nevertheless, whatever the mystery sweetener is that my tastebuds hate, it's pretty commonly used and obviously not many others can taste what I'm describing. My experience may not be common, but I know I'm not the only one. I know there are others who struggle with this very issue.

This very issue is why I enjoy unsweetened tobaccos like what Want2Vape offers. Managua is awesome, as is Alcazar. I also enjoy the rare non tobacco flavors that skip on the unnamed chemical sweetener that I dislike. Some examples of those include Ecopure, Boba's and Backwoods Brew coffee flavors.

So, in short, I don't dislike everything, but I do dislike a specific ingredient that appears to be widely used. I can't be the only one. If a vendor uses that specific sweetener ingredient, I'm going to taste it, and then I'm going to note it in my reviews or blog. Honestly Joe, if changing to a different rig would eliminate that artificial flavor, I would do it in a heartbeat. Thank you for taking the time to suggest it, however. I know different personal vaporizers will change some flavors and this is a good suggestion to trouble shoot flavor issues.

 

[Joe_Atlanta]

Sorry I missed this reply and thanks for taking the time to expand on the problem. I have a similiar curse about some music (I'm a musician). Other players will say listen to the complex chord structure of Steely Dan, it's a breakthrough! And all I can hear is that artificially sweet sound. Uggggh!

Back to vaping, I still think that ultimately a variable voltage set up makes sense (maybe not to deal with artificial sweet taste you get, but) to be able to fine tune the vapes that we do like.

 

[Dream]

vaping PineSol right now.

You don't like much of anything, do you?

From reading your blog, I see that you don't like:

BWB Casablanca - "A real disappointment."
BWB 555 - "An overly sweet mystery nut chemical flavored mess"
BWB Applewood Tobacco - "Tastes like a granny smith apple, artificial flavorings, and stale tea."
BWB Cherry Tobacco - "Cough syrup."
BWB Dulce de Leche - "An artificial sweetener overload with a side of burnt milk."
BWB eJoker's Blend - "...saccharine like sweetness with a stale bitter tea aftertaste."
BWB Malty Toffee - "This is unvapable to me."
BWB RY4 - "Tastes like stale sweet tea."

Vaperite Organic Tobacco - "Tastes like stale tea."
Vaperite VR4 - "Tastes like stale sweet tea."
Vaperite Honey Horn Tobacco - "Do you like vaping PineSol? Then this is for you."

 

[dberkham]

I ordered sample bottles of Cherrywood, Applewood, Raspberry, Coffee, Carmelized Cappacino and they sent Cinnamon Buns as my freebie. I agree with the reviewer that there is an underlying flavor base to all the VR juices. I guess its their "signature" blend. I am also sensitive to artificial sweeteners but that's not what I tasted at all. I tasted a woody like base more than anything else. While I didn't mind it with their Cherrywood and Applewood tobacco blends when I still tasted it in Raspberry and Coffee I didn't like it at all. I ordered Raspberry not Raspberry wood. I also think all the flavors tasted better after sitting a while (a week). I would order the tobacco liquid again from VR but not the other flavors. I thought all of them were a very dry smoke at 20 mg.

 

[nola]

I am glad newbz reviewed these eliquids. I also cannot stand that ucky sweet taste. I just wasted 15 dollars that I really cannot afford on some liquid cuz of the other good reviews of it. I wish I had read these reviews first. I hope newbz keeps posting her reviews.

 

[ShannonA]

I ordered sample bottles of Cherrywood, Applewood, Raspberry, Coffee, Carmelized Cappacino and they sent Cinnamon Buns as my freebie. I agree with the reviewer that there is an underlying flavor base to all the VR juices. I guess its their "signature" blend. I am also sensitive to artificial sweeteners but that's not what I tasted at all. I tasted a woody like base more than anything else. While I didn't mind it with their Cherrywood and Applewood tobacco blends when I still tasted it in Raspberry and Coffee I didn't like it at all. I ordered Raspberry not Raspberry wood. I also think all the flavors tasted better after sitting a while (a week). I would order the tobacco liquid again from VR but not the other flavors. I thought all of them were a very dry smoke at 20 mg.

I haven't really thought about whether it's a dry vape or not. I haven't tried raspberry. I have tried the coffee and it tastes more nutty than woody to me although raspberry nut might not be good either. I don't taste it in the malibu pineapple at all.

I found hubby couldn't taste the pineapple only the coconut and I taste pineapple with just a hint of coconut. Two people same juice same pv tasting different things.

I am glad newbz reviewed these eliquids. I also cannot stand that ucky sweet taste. I just wasted 15 dollars that I really cannot afford on some liquid cuz of the other good reviews of it. I wish I had read these reviews first. I hope newbz keeps posting her reviews.

No matter how many great reviews you read always go for the sample 1st if there is one. You could've found out you didn't like it for less than 3 bucks.

I recently tried a flavor just about EVERYONE that's tried it raves about and I hate it.

 

[M_FactorX19]

Newbz,

Yes, it makes sense.

In the realm of juices, the typical "chemist's lab flavorings" still hold sway, but the movement toward flavors with more natural sources is accelerating.

I strongly recommend that you check out Prime Vaping. PV has the "cleanest" tasting juices (in both tobacco and non-tobacco flavors) that I've vaped so far over nine months. No chemical or synthetic taste, no perfume, and no "signature" overtones, unlike many of the high-end vendors, some of which you mentioned. Their "Natural Tobacco" is a sterling example, and their "Strawberry" and "Strawberry Cheesecake" are to die for, in my opinion.

Just a head's up on your quest for vaping happiness.

i will second everything Bill just said. i cant stand many juices i try because they have a chemical taste or share a base i dont like. Prime Vaping isnt one of them. as Bill said their Natural tobaccos are great and so is the Stawberry. same for the Stawberry and Blueberry Cheesecake. you should definitely check them out.

 

[john999000]

I ordered a sampler 6 pack plus a freebie and I agree with newbz. They all have the same perfumy chemical base. All the flavors definately have potential if the base was different. I had high hopes for VR but in the end, i wont be ordering from them again.

 

[john999000]

Yeah, and I assure you, it's a real drag. It's costly in terms of product purchased that I can not use and in time spent searching for product I can.

So why bother to review at all?

Because I know for a fact there are others out there who share my same flavor profile. BWB's Malty became an all day vape because of the recommendation of one such person. So did Ecopure. So did Want2Vape tobaccos. There are a few other flavors as well.
QUOTE]

Finally someone who seems to have the same "flavor profile" as me. I have tried so many juices that got rave reviews only to be let down. I am going to try some of the flavors you like. I already have an order in at BWB for the Malty and some RY4 as well. If I could just find ONE flavor that I like, I would be happy.

 

[squirrel64]

There are a lot of variables that can affect the flavor outcome. Voltage has been mentioned. In the past I used a diy mixture that vaped for 3 months straight, dripping on a cisco 306. I absolutely loved the combination. Then I happened to be intrigued when the dual coil cartomizers appeared and purchased a dozen or so. Well needless to say I loaded my trusty mixture in one of the dcc's within minutes of receiving them. I mentioned in an earlier thread that if I had jumped a fence and started chewing on a haybale it would have been the the most realistic description I could give.

I have yet to figure out which apparatus truly shows the guts of my juice. was the atomizer muting flavors or is the dc bringing out flavors. BTW these were used on the same VV mod at different voltages. Vermillion River is my go to juice. But have also tried many juices raved about and can't bring myself to buy it again. But that may be because I haven't given the juice a fair try in other configurations and different voltages. So this is just my two cents and possibly something to consider what the reason may be that you find some juices repulsive. Which I'm sure you probably have

 

[Levitas]

Kentucky Premium Blend 0mg/ml
By this point, I think you have a pretty good idea of how I feel about this ‘tobacco’. I’ve never been able to groove on the nutty sweet tobacco flavors. My cigarettes (even when I purchased novelty flavored brands) were never nutty or filled with nutra sweet like flavor. My brain does not process this flavor as tobacco, no matter who the vendor is.




Purchase again? No.

I just received a sample of this today, and I agree with the nutti-ness to it. If you really didn't like this, then you probably wouldn't like Backwoods Brew's Casablanca, because to me, these two taste very similar. Almost identical, in my opinion.

 

[ShannonA]

I ordered a sampler 6 pack plus a freebie and I agree with newbz. They all have the same perfumy chemical base. All the flavors definately have potential if the base was different. I had high hopes for VR but in the end, i wont be ordering from them again.

That just goes to show how subjesctive taste is. I like VR because they DON'T taste like chemicals or perfume to me. It makes you wonder how differen the same thing can taste to different people.

 

[john999000]

Yeh its actually frustrating! Even though I didn't really like VR's juice, I still think they are a great vendor. Juice seemed to be high quality, nicely packaged and shipping was unbelievably fast. I ordered Saturday and it was here Monday.

 

[Newbz]

I just received a sample of this today, and I agree with the nutti-ness to it. If you really didn't like this, then you probably wouldn't like Backwoods Brew's Casablanca, because to me, these two taste very similar. Almost identical, in my opinion.

I don't care for Casablanca after it steeps. After the 2 week mark it's too nutty and artificially sweet.

Lots of good discussion above about how voltage can change flavors, how taste is subjective (I would argue it's genetic, and thus not subjective but rather inherent ) and there was even another recommendation for Prime Vaping. Anybody have a website link, btw?