VG/pg difference/help please

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hello my name is Maria and I'm new to vaping it's been 2 months now since I've stopped smoking and I love it!
to continue my love of vaping id like to know more about the difference between VG (vape) and PG (flavor)juices and the ohms/amps/watts relation to my battery power (35A), my coils(dual coil w/ 5 wraps) and gauge significance ?! please help me lol
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Hi and Welcome to ECF :)

PG is propylene glycol, VG is vegetable glycerin. These should both be USP (pharma grade) Flavoring is a separate component of ejuice as is nicotine (generally the flavoring is in PG, VG or an alcohol base and the Nic is usually in a PG or VG solution) A higher percentage of VG gives more density to the vapor and tends to take away a little throat hit, some say higher VG% mute flavors- but I havent found that to be always true- seems to depend on the flavor.

Ohms/Amps and Watts apply using Ohms law. Without your actual resistance I couldnt give you an example using your set up (I will say no batteries have a confirmed 35amp continuous rating - purple efests are actually 20 amp continuous for example) But a basic equation would be as follows:

4.2 Volts (always use this when calculating for a mech mod as that is your battery voltage at full charge
/0.5 Ohms Resistance
=
8.4 Amps

4.2 V
x 8.4 A
-------
35.28 watts


Voltage = Current (Amps) * Resistance (Ohms)
Power (watts) = Voltage * Current (Amps)
Current(Amps)= Voltage / Resistance

There are Ohms law calculators if you google for them that can help you until you learn all of the formulas
 

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Welcome to ECF and congrats, very nice on quitting :)

As for your questions, I don't really know what you're asking. VG produces more vapour and less throat hit than PG. It is thicker, and not as good as carrying flavour. It's often synthetically made and there are several different ranking of VG.

PG is thinner and carries flavour better. It also produces a much more potent and pronounced throat hit.

If you want to know more about these things then I would recommend checking the e-juice sub forums here (the DiY one is particularly good).

I'm not really sure what you want to know with your other questions...
 

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I will say no batteries have a confirmed 35amp continuous rating - purple efests are actually 20 amp continuous for example) /QUOTE]

Apparently those new spiffy looking Subohm Cells are. Kidney Puncher (not plugging I swear) has run several tests on them and say they outperform the VTC4s and VTC5s. While this doesn't truly determine their max current pull, it's a good signifier that they may in fact be rated at 35 amps as they claim.

However, yes, watch out for those purple efests as they are advertised incorrectly.
 

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Creepy nailed it down good for you. As far as pg/vg you will find your way trial and error is ok. Coil wrapping on the other hand must be treated as an exact science. You must understand Ohm's law have a DMM and in ohms checker before atempting any oil builds. Also make sure you have a battery that can stand up to what you are asking it to do.
 

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Supposedly PG gives a better "throat hit" while VG makes more vapor, and so most e-liquids are blends. Unfortunately, it turns out I am sensitive to PG, and can only vape "100% VG" liquids (I put that in quotes b/c it isn't really 100% VG, it's VG + flavors + nicotine.... but it's PG-free). Even an 80%/20% VG/PG blend gives me tight-chest breathing trouble. It's a real bummer because there's some super-tasty flavors out there that just aren't offered PG-free.
 

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Volts, Ohms, Amps and Watts...

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Thank you very much on the thorough break down on the juice. I think I am def. good there.
Now as far as the mod setup goes would that then mean that the battery represents voltage, the coil means resistance/ohms, and the wires connecting everything is the amps pushing?

The battery does represent the voltage introduced into the circuit. Your coil provides the resistance to current flow that creates heat. The wires are just conductors that allow the current to flow to the coil in a mech and the wires in a variable mod just feed battery current to the circuit board (most just contact the battery directly) with more wires to connect the 510 connector that your atty is screwed into.

Here's a common anaology ...

You can compare the flow of electricity to the flow of water.

Voltage is analogous to water pressure in a hose.
Amps or current is comparable to the volume of water flowing through a hose.
Resistance is much the same as the drag the hose places on the water flowing through it. Longer hoses present more resistance to flow.

A smaller hose also presents more resistance to water flow. A larger hose allows greater volumes of water to flow. Turning up the pressure in a hose is like turning up the voltage to a coil. If you add a sprinkler at the end of the hose, the design of the sprinkler and the size and number of the holes determine how much mist the sprinkler can create. If you use a lower resistance in a coil, more resistance creates an impedance to current flow and the coil gets hot.

An atomizer's efficiency is also dependent on its design and ability to use the current flowing through the wires feeding it. Smaller gauge wires create more resistance and more heat. Larger gauge wires present less resistance and create less heat. The number of turns in a coil determine its resistance and how much heat it will present to the juice in the wick.

You can have equal resistance with 28ga or 32ga Kanthal, but the number of turns of each will vary to reach the same resistance. More turns contact more wick surface and atomize more juice, but too many turns make the resistance higher and you have to go to a higher gauge (smaller) wire to prevent the coil from requiring higher voltage than your mod can provide. It's a balance that is achieved through some calculations before beginning.

Steam engine is a good coil calculator.
http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp?r=2&awg=28&id=1.83&ll=2
 
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Thank you very much on the thorough break down on the juice. I think I am def. good there.
Now as far as the mod setup goes would that then mean that the battery represents voltage, the coil means resistance/ohms, and the wires connecting everything is the amps pushing?

That is a very long answer. Ohms Law is how everything works and how you ensure safety. Trying various combinations with in the safe area will help you find the performance you want. These blogs will help you with understanding a lot of how everything works :E-Cigarette Forum - Baditude - Blogs

If you have VV you have a regulated mod. If you have a mechanical mod then your batteries charge is your voltage and you should complete any Ohms Law calculations using 4.2 V as that would be your battery at full charge.

Amps = The C Rating (or continuous discharge) amp limit of your batteries. Voltage divided by Ohms = Amps
 

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Oh thank you I appreciate that.
And I'm literally asking about the mod setup, not so much the safety I understand that I always need to have a ground and how to prevent shorting but how to apply ohms law to my mod for improvement is where I get stuck.

The safety aspect of a mod doesn't really consider whether you have a ground. It seems to me that without a ground (a path for current to flow to the negative terminal of your battery), it's as safe as it gets - no current can flow, and no potential for harm! The danger comes when you allow (knowingly or not) the battery to supply too much current.

What kind of mod and atomizer are you using?

Each part of ohm's law doesn't correspond to a physical part of your PV. Your coil/wick/atomizer determines the experience, and your battery determines your safety.

For a given coil, assuming your wicking can keep up, more wattage always means more vapor. With a VV/VW mod, you can simply crank up the voltage or wattage to achieve this.

On mechanical mod, you can only accomplish more wattage by lowering the overall resistance of the build.

But wattage is only a small piece of the puzzle. Airflow matters a great deal, wicking is of utmost importance, as well as how responsive your coils are. For example, given two one-ohm coils, one 28 gauge and one 24 gauge, there's far less metal to heat up in the 28 gauge. This means it will react more quickly, given 10 watts. On the other hand, it also has less surface area: less area to come into contact with liquid, and may well produce less vapor.

When I started rebuilding, I hoped to find some kind of "end all, be all" guide to how all the parameters affect your vape. Unfortunately, such a guide doesn't exist, to my knowledge. By hanging around ECF, you can learn a lot. And you'll learn even more by just trying different builds, and playing around.

Welcome aboard!
 
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hello my name is Maria and I'm new to vaping it's been 2 months now since I've stopped smoking and I love it!
to continue my love of vaping id like to know more about the difference between VG (vape) and PG (flavor)juices and the ohms/amps/watts relation to my battery power (35A), my coils(dual coil w/ 5 wraps) and gauge significance ?! please help me lol
-devoted vape lover<3

The information you provided didn't mention whether you have a mechanical mod or a variable voltage/wattage mod. If you have been vaping only 2 months you would be wise to use an electronic mod that has built in protection against shorts and over current. Your mention of a 35A battery leads me to believe that it's a purple Efest 2500mah with a 35W marking on the outside. The manufacturer of that battery has issued a revision on the amp capacity. The 35A rating is a pulse rating, not continuous, but they don't tell us how long the pulse can be before it overheats at 35A. The continuous rating is 20A. That's still a really high value for a vaper.

A little more information would help us guide you. What is the resistance of your 5 wrap coil? What gauge wire are you using and what is the coil diameter? What's the name and model of your mod? Do you have a resettable fuse to protect the battery if it's a mechanical mod?

All this is important information for your safety and for us to use to respond intelligently.
 
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