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Vicious Ant variant advice.

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  1. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
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    Ok so my amazing better half got me one for Christmas. And a couple extra batteries with a super fancy and complicated charger I have him use for me.

    Now does anyone have any suggestions as to anything I can put on it to really see what it can do. I think all of mine would become a blow torch over 100w.

    Heck I'll be happy with recommendations on people's favorite higher watt builds as I don't know if I'll ever take it even 50% as high as it can go.

    Yes he's nuts for getting me a unbelievably high watt pricey mod. But he knows I like to experiment. And we'll I can't think of many builds it can't do. So it's kind of bad ... for that.


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  2. Verb

    Verb Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 26, 2014
    Eastern, PA, USA
    Use an airy dripper with a higher resistance coil if you want to push up the watts and enjoy the vape. A higher draw pressure will also keep your coil(s) cooler. Good Wicking is important too.

    Congrats on the nice box.
     
  3. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    Thank you.

    I'm going to need some major airflow. Thinking dark horse, and big block. I'm afraid my little boy may not have enough. Also it made with such thin metal it will likely be quite hot.


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  4. IceCube0306

    IceCube0306 Full Member Verified Member

    Mar 24, 2014
    Houston,TX
    Currently I have a Tugboat V2 at .36 ohms at 6V 200 watts and I like it. Ive pushed it to 130Watts but thats about as high as i can go. Im thinking of getting something with more air flow as well. What kind of batteries did you get? Im using Eflite
     
  5. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
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    And a bigger one that's charging at the moment. I had to pull the sticker off to make it fit.

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  6. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    It takes the same batteries as R/c plane remotes. So I hit a hobby shop. Bought connectors and soldiered them on myself.


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  7. IceCube0306

    IceCube0306 Full Member Verified Member

    Mar 24, 2014
    Houston,TX
    Sorry for the late reply. I wish itd send me emails when someone replies back to a thread that ive posted in. Did you get the Variant clone? I beliave the clone comes with the black box. Im not sure how those batteries are. But yeah you should be able to get them at a hobby shop.
    I got mine off amazon.
    Amazon.com: 1300mAh 2S 7.4V 20C LiPo, 18AWG EC2: Toys & Games
     
  8. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    Oh yes. I asked Santa for the clone. $700 was asking to much devotion to one vaporizer. I like my choices. So I didn't want to feel like I had to use this one as my major primary. Plus I didn't know how much I'd like it. Turns out I adore it. I can excuse my clouper t8, billet and svd 2.0 love too. But the power. Oh the power. Even at 5w on a .5 I was shocked by how much it produced.


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  9. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    Btw it seems to have serial numbers. Wow the clone army has some wild tricks now.


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  10. The Ocelot

    The Ocelot Psychopomp Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Yep.

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  11. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    Outchy. You recommend that? Your an odd duck.


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  12. The Ocelot

    The Ocelot Psychopomp Verified Member ECF Veteran

    No, I'm an ocelot. You posted, "I think all of mine would become a blow torch over 100w." and I was agreeing with you. :) The picture is a screen shot from a video showing the Variant at some ridiculously high setting.
     
  13. dravell

    dravell Super Member

    Jul 29, 2014
    United States
    The reason it feels so hot at 5w is because it is. At .3ohm on 5w youre looking at around 30w. The Variant clone fires 2-4x the set wattage up to about 80w, the lower ohm the build the more its amplified. Its the only reason i didnt get one, which sucks because its built beautifully.
     
  14. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    After seeing this I put a reader on it. Now it was higher then it said but no 30w.


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  15. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    I have a Mutation X V1 RDA for high power builds. They have a ver 2 now which has a wide bore drip tip which could be good for you. It's a very good quality RDA at a great price (the link is to the authentic) with big post holes so you can put a lot of wire in there. They both have 9 air holes per side and are fully adjustable from no flow to wide open. With a 80 watt dual coil setup in it it's a very slightly warm, flavorful vape with 3 holes per side open. With more holes open the vapor production goes up and it's a cold vape. I know it could handle a lot more than 80 watts but I don't have a mod that will put out much more safely so I have not tried it.

    The build is going to be key here, or you're going to be burning juice and as you know that's not good (or healthy). I don't know if you know and use the Steam Engine calculators, but if you don't yet I would encourage you to get familiar with the coil building one. Here is a dual coil setup modeled using 24 gauge Kanthal on a 3 mm pin at 0.5 ohms with 11 wraps per coil. At 200 watts the heat flux is 442 mW/mm². Heat flux is watts per coil wire area. I like the vape between 400 and 450 and find it easy to keep it from burning in this range. IMO you have a very good chance of being able to run at these numbers, but I wouldn't hit it the first time at 200 watts just in case. I would start at say 150 with a short drag and work my way up in steps.

    This setup will not make it to 250 watts without burning juice, but 200 watts is nothing to sneeze at :). If you really want to go higher, you can reduce wire gauge or use dual parallel builds or whatever you want. The Steam Engine calculator will model all of that for you.

    Whatever you do end up trying, please let us know how it goes.
     
  16. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    Wow Ryedan. Thanks!!!

    I'm not really awake enough to say more yet.

    Have a good day all.


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  17. Ron R

    Ron R Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 19, 2011
    Albuquerque,NM
    So I know this post is old but, can you explain to me again how much higher this devise is than it says it is, I'm using it it with a artic tank at what said to be 30w, .2, and it said it was only putting out right at two volts but it felt literally like at least 70w, or like 6v, not sure what's up but it destroyed my artic head literally in one day, um how can I figure out what it's actually doing? I want it to just stay like I'm one a good fresh charged mech battery, that's why I went regulated, so I could set it and forget it. Now I'm confused because I don't want to think I'm vaping around 3.9 to 4.2v and really be at 6 or 7 v. I don't want to destroy my attys by burning them up. I want to be able to know I'm close to the setting I want and be able to know that that's what I'm really vaping at
     
  18. Ivan Michalko

    Ivan Michalko Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 8, 2014
    canton, oh, usa
    i would recommend something other them the B3 charger it doesnt do well with balancing the lipo batteries. i have 2 variants with 4 batteries. i went with the hytec X1. i burnt up 3 B3 chargers and after checking the balancing of the lipo batteries they were pretty much off quite a bit. one cell was 4.05V and the other was 4.14V. so just to warn ya about the charger that comes with the clone
     
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