Video - How to mod your DSE901B for USB PC power

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Oops - :confused: I should have said the power or wattage of the coil is 3.7 Watts NOT Resistance. Resistance of the coil is ALSO 3.7 ohms but will decrease as the voltage will go up also because the coil only needs 3.7 Watts to operate.

One thing to think bout here is that when Voltage goes up amperage decreases - especially in a simple heating circuit such as an atomizer. Using Ohms law we can determine that IF with a 3.7 volt battery is drawing 1 amp of power for the atomizer then the total resistance of the coil (atomizer) is 3.7 ohms. Since the coils are very tiny the variance in manufacturing is probably NOT all that stringent any change in the length of the coil would vary resistance and increase or decrease current draw ( Maybe a cause for dying atomizers - short coil / Could lead to a higher than normal current draw and a battery could get fried also after having to "work" harder) Anyway if we use 3.7 watts as the "BASE" needed for said coil at 5 volts you will only require .74 amps or 740 milliamps a 25% saving on the amperage and much closer to the 500 milliamp spec of the USB port
 

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What I am going to do when my first battery dies is completely revamp the battery case and use a battery similar to trog's screwdriver and use a rechargeable cr2 battery still 3.7 volts but with a whopping 1400 mah of power instead of the probable 300 mah of the tiny AAA that is most likely the power source in most devices -Even going up to a AA size power source would give 750mah and wouldn't make the size go up that much. I will keep you informed. I am thinking some type of simple mod like splitting the battery case at near the top and bottom sleeving with some alum tube available at most hobby stores and keeping ALL the goodies too e.g. flow sensor and led. But with a Tim Taylor (home Improvement) Attitude. ARGH ARGH ARGH!
 

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Oops - :confused: I should have said the power or wattage of the coil is 3.7 Watts NOT Resistance. Resistance of the coil is ALSO 3.7 ohms but will decrease as the voltage will go up also because the coil only needs 3.7 Watts to operate.

No, your logic is flawed. Heat dissipated by resistors is determined by the voltage difference on leads unless current flowing through it is limited.
Using ohm's law current flowing through the coil is 5/3.7=1.3514 amps. 5*1.3514=6.7570 watts, or just 5^2/3.7=6.7570 watts.

You can pull 500mA from usb port and since it gives 5v you can pull max 5*0.5=2.5000 watts of power from it. Again using ohm's law 5^2/x=2.5 and solving x gives 5^2/2.5=10 ohms. So atomizer coil would have to have resistance of 10ohms to pull max allowed amount of power from usb bus.
Just to check, 5/10=0.50000 amps.
 

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Well sort of -
I was making the assumption the the element is a 3.7 watt element
I see you point as to the resistance having to be variable.
The question is - is it
Take this example a 60 watt light bulb running at 110 volt requires
0.54545 amps current draw
Same 60 watt blub ran at 12 volts
5 amps

Did the resisance Change ?

Is it Liner? A light bulb is a just a coil too?

Granted I see your point that if you look at the resistance side of the coin it is pulling more amps (current) BUT if it is current limited by the wattage wouldn't the resistance have to change and the the current would be lower.?

No, your logic is flawed. Heat dissipated by resistors is determined by the voltage difference on leads unless current flowing through it is limited.
Using ohm's law current flowing through the coil is 5/3.7=1.3514 amps. 5*1.3514=6.7570 watts, or just 5^2/3.7=6.7570 watts.

You can pull 500mA from usb port and since it gives 5v you can pull max 5*0.5=2.5000 watts of power from it. Again using ohm's law 5^2/x=2.5 and solving x gives 5^2/2.5=10 ohms. So atomizer coil would have to have resistance of 10ohms to pull max allowed amount of power from usb bus.
Just to check, 5/10=0.50000 amps.
 

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No - I have just got my e-cig yesterday 10/23 (Thanks Steve)Haven't tore into it yet but when I get a chance I will conduct some base testing and a FULL autopsy when something dies. WWhat would be great is just to get bastage to put a multimeter inline and mesure the darn current in stead of all this guessing. Current could be dependant on flow also more suck mo'e current?

Madog! How do you know that the heating coil is not a linear, but a PTC resistor? Have you measured the current at different voltages?
 

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No - I have just got my e-cig yesterday 10/23 (Thanks Steve)Haven't tore into it yet but when I get a chance I will conduct some base testing and a FULL autopsy when something dies. WWhat would be great is just to get bastage to put a multimeter inline and mesure the darn current in stead of all this guessing. Current could be dependant on flow also more suck mo'e current?


Sorry man, got a day job. If I get around to it I'll post it up.
 

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone now make a USB powered 901 OEM or know of anyone planning to?

Also, since my batteries are new, it occurred to me that a new USB charger costs $11 and a new battery cost $15. I may be able to buy the charger and cannabilize it to do your mod. I like the idea of having a constant voltage going to the atomizer. The batteries get weak pretty quick and I am mostly e-smoking in front of the computer anyway. It sounds like a great idea. Thanks for posting the details of your experients. Great job!
 
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