FDA Deeming updates VTA issues FDA regulations calendar

[Oliver]

The Vapor Technology Association has released an extremely useful document, outlining the key dates in the deeming implementation, and what manufacturers and suppliers must do to remain on the market.

I won't say anything more just now, but take a look through and understand that the implications of deeming do not start in 2018, but start almost immediately....

 

[crxess]

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Good Manufacturing Practices
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FDA will in the future issue regulations defining Good Manufacturing Practices for ENDS

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder if the 18+ (unless state has a Higher Age Limit) will require Internet Retailers to collect Photocopies of customers Photo ID's?

 

[Rickajho]

Is the "no sales to Minors" matter elaborated on in 21 CFR part 1140 as far as impact on on-line sales? One doesn't "see" someone during an on-line purchase for the purpose of telling if someone "appears" to be under age 26 or not. Up to this point there were certain age restrictions inherent in your ability to obtain a credit card that were a given.

 

[Rickajho]

I wonder if the 18+ (unless state has a Higher Age Limit) will require Internet Retailers to collect Photocopies of customers Photo ID's?

And what a potential disaster for identity theft if an on-line suppler was keeping those copies and they were stolen.

Aren't there a couple of age check services already in place that tie into public record information based on what you have to supply to the vendor anyway to complete a purchase? (Possibly in addition to a couple other pieces of information the vendor isn't privvy to like last 4 of SSN etc.) That would seem to be a hell of a lot less cumbersome than photos of photo id's needing to be scrutinized one at a time. Safer too.

Just thinking out loud here...

 

[retired1]

I wonder if the 18+ (unless state has a Higher Age Limit) will require Internet Retailers to collect Photocopies of customers Photo ID's?

Shouldn't need to. What they most likely will do is require ID and signature upon delivery.

Any shop that wants a photocopy will immediately go on my "pass" list. Huge privacy issues with that.

 

[zoiDman]

And what a potential disaster for identity theft if an on-line suppler was keeping those copies and they were stolen.

...

And that is Why I went on a Mini-Binge buying Hardware when California Legislators passed SBX2-7.

Because I was Not going to provide a Photocopy of my Drivers License as a condition to Sale. And CA hasn't given much guidance as to How retailers are supposed to Comply with an Age Limit Requirement for Non Face-2-Face Sales.

 

[crxess]

Any shop that wants a photocopy will immediately go on my "pass" list. Huge privacy issues with that.

Sadly some decent business' may end up in States Mandating such record keeping.

 

[retired1]

Sadly some decent business' may end up in States Mandating such record keeping.

I don't see that happening. Record keeping is one thing, requesting/storing a copy of someone's license is another.

 

[Katmar]

The Vapor Technology Association has released an extremely useful document, outlining the key dates in the deeming implementation, and what manufacturers and suppliers must do to remain on the market.

I won't say anything more just now, but take a look through and understand that the implications of deeming do not start in 2018, but start almost immediately....

It looks as though the regs that start almost immediately are the ones we were anticipating, no?

 

[classwife]

Asinine

 

[Rickajho]

Asinine

Short term, we still gotta deal with out running (or out smarting) the Asinine's Classy.

 

[Buster282]

Current problem for online retailers and us - one juice co. has already had their credit card processing service cancel them. Effectivley putting them out of business! They were able to find a solution after a couple of days. One of the solutions I saw required a higher percentage payment from them. The credit card co.s have a provision where they can refuse service for selling percieved illegal products or products that are detremental to the brand. Zeller and his team did their homework. I also saw on the last page of a summary of the regs saying something about all tobacco products shiped will need to have a label For Sale in the United States. Guessing that's a way to thwart shipments from overseas. I hope we find a way out of this...

 

[bnrkwest]

I think we are screwed come 8-8-16.

 

[skoony]

Current problem for online retailers and us - one juice co. has already had their credit card processing service cancel them. Effectivley putting them out of business! They were able to find a solution after a couple of days. One of the solutions I saw required a higher percentage payment from them. The credit card co.s have a provision where they can refuse service for selling percieved illegal products or products that are detremental to the brand. Zeller and his team did their homework. I also saw on the last page of a summary of the regs saying something about all tobacco products shiped will need to have a label For Sale in the United States. Guessing that's a way to thwart shipments from overseas. I hope we find a way out of this...

If that company was the one i became aware of they were still processing orders on line the next day
after they were supposedly done at he end of the day the day before.
The name escapes me right now. Considering there has only been this one to my knowledge
any hasty talk of CC companies or processors bailing out is premature.
Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

I think we are screwed come 8-8-16.

While there is Breath... There is Life.

 

[salemgold]

I don't see that happening. Record keeping is one thing, requesting/storing a copy of someone's license is another.

Granted it was 6 years ago, but that is exactly what was required when I used to buy cigarettes online. Things may have changed now. No clue.

They kept a copy of my photo ID on file and I paid by electronic check since credit card companies did not allow purchase of tobacco.

 

[Robino1]

The Vapor Technology Association has released an extremely useful document, outlining the key dates in the deeming implementation, and what manufacturers and suppliers must do to remain on the market.

I won't say anything more just now, but take a look through and understand that the implications of deeming do not start in 2018, but start almost immediately....

I am feeling ill.

So..... how much to get a class action lawsuit going? How many people need to be in on it?

Any lawyers in the bunch?

 

[Rickajho]

If that company was the one i became aware of they were still processing orders on line the next day
after they were supposedly done at he end of the day the day before.
The name escapes me right now. Considering there has only been this one to my knowledge
any hasty talk of CC companies or processors bailing out is premature.
Regards
Mike

What Mike said. It was one supplier (My Vape Juice) who lost her CC processing services - and managed to get them restored in less than 24 hours by going to another card processing company.

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Let's keep the sweeping generalizations and hysteria level down to a dull roar. The entire industry did not lose it's card processing options overnight.

 

[crxess]

I am feeling ill.

So..... how much to get a class action lawsuit going? How many people need to be in on it?

Any lawyers in the bunch?

I can tell you this. Contrary to what ANY individual Doctor may say in private Dr/patient conversation - AAFP was instrumental in Soliciting Regulation.

Sadly, they Parrot CDC Statistical Data on Teen usage to Promote the need for E-cigarette Deeming.
Not a single comment on the reduction in TEEN Smoking due to CHOICE.

While I have never had an issue with age restrictions(maturity changes one) I have seen Little in the Success of such Age restrictions beyond satisfying those crying out for change.
I have always seen underage Drinking, Smoking and everything else restricted to Age of consent. Words without action have never proven preventative.

I will Freely admit, I got more Alcohol as an underage Teen than I have purchased or consumed as an adult. Never once did my parents have fore knowledge or give consent. Never once did Government stop me.

Societies Adults need to stop with all the FOR the Children regulation, to simply Feel they have accomplished something and put that energy toward Real Solvable Crisis world wide.
Rampant control of Government by Corporations is a Real World Crisis.